Holset vs. the others...

[t3rse]

Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge

i wouldn't put something on my race car, that was built for diesel truck. they may perform OK, but they were not intended for that use, were as the garrett GT series were designed and built for racing purpose (le mans, ...).

i don't mind paying a little more for something that is put to its use, but thats just my $0.02

it's like running good street tires on a road course. can you? sure you can, but they are not meant for that use and you'll be happier with slicks.
once you made the step forward using a GT series turbo, you'll never go back.

I would never waste 2k on a turbo when I can spend 200 and get very similar performance...and I would especially never waste money on a turbo that I can't rebuild

and...I'm willing to bet the holsets are more durable as well.

[Aries_Turbo]

they are very resistant to surge as well.

brian

[turbovanman]

We really need a detailed breakdown of the turbo's and what they would be good for.

I have the sizes and such listed in the old FAQ's but as far as what should go on what, I still shake my head,

[rbryant]

Originally Posted by turbovanman

We really need a detailed breakdown of the turbo's and what they would be good for.

I have the sizes and such listed in the old FAQ's but as far as what should go on what, I still shake my head,

I'll work on it and put it in the knowledge center over the next couple of weeks.

We basicly want one of the following:

'94 WH1C (crossover year same as HX35 except the compressor is a vband) 12cc housing
'94+ HX35 (a few variants exist but it doesn't really matter) 12cc housing
'01 HY35 from an automatic tranny(still has straight outlet) 9cc housing, 56mm comp wheel.
'02-03 HY35 (90 degree houtlet) 9cm housing (not sure of the compressor size on this one) 9cc housing
'04-'05 HE351 (looks like the 90degree outlet HY except it has an integrated solenoid and 60mm wheel). 9cc housing


I like the '01 HY because it has a bolt on exhaust outlet. You can also use this outlet with the HE351 but the HE351 is a bigger compressor housing (and wheel).

-Rich

[turbovanman]

Originally Posted by rbryant

I'll work on it and put it in the knowledge center over the next couple of weeks.

We basicly want one of the following:

'94 WH1C (crossover year same as HX35 except the compressor is a vband) 12cc housing
'94+ HX35 (a few variants exist but it doesn't really matter) 12cc housing
'01 HY35 from an automatic tranny(still has straight outlet) 9cc housing, 56mm comp wheel.
'02-03 HY35 (90 degree houtlet) 9cm housing (not sure of the compressor size on this one) 9cc housing
'04-'05 HE351 (looks like the 90degree outlet HY except it has an integrated solenoid and 60mm wheel). 9cc housing


I like the '01 HY because it has a bolt on exhaust outlet. You can also use this outlet with the HE351 but the HE351 is a bigger compressor housing (and wheel).

-Rich

Awesome and also if possible, similiar turbo's in english, IE 50 trim, Stage II, .63 etc, so then we can compare,

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo

they are very resistant to surge as well.

brian

That was #1 on my list when picking a turbo for my 8v 2.2!

[rbryant]

Originally Posted by turbovanman

Awesome and also if possible, similiar turbo's in english, IE 50 trim, Stage II, .63 etc, so then we can compare,

Yea I actually have an overlay (both compressor maps as semi-transparent) of the T04e-50 trim and the HX35 compressor map that shows how similar they really are. I think I also did the same for the closest GT series.

I can include them too.

-Rich

[bansheenut420]

I love my Holset HX40pro. I have only had it to about 20psi (atleast on purpose) and it spooled faster than my crap --- s70 with a .48 housing, and just keeeeps pulling on top.

[bansheenut420]

Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge

i wouldn't put something on my race car, that was built for diesel truck. they may perform OK, but they were not intended for that use, were as the garrett GT series were designed and built for racing purpose (le mans, ...).

i don't mind paying a little more for something that is put to its use, but thats just my $0.02

it's like running good street tires on a road course. can you? sure you can, but they are not meant for that use and you'll be happier with slicks.
once you made the step forward using a GT series turbo, you'll never go back.

GT series turbos are good turbos, but why pay twice as much for the same performance and less durability. Works pretty damn good on my car being designed for a "diesel" turbo. We should compare dyno numbers when we are both up and running. Let not even get into the fact that the center section is throw away when it goes bad. You can buy a whole new holset just to rebuild your GT series.

[black86glhs]

Come on guys, don't you really just like them because they came on the Cummins diesels and being cheap?!

[turbovanman]

Originally Posted by rbryant

Yea I actually have an overlay (both compressor maps as semi-transparent) of the T04e-50 trim and the HX35 compressor map that shows how similar they really are. I think I also did the same for the closest GT series.

I can include them too.

-Rich

That would be perfect,

[bansheenut420]

Originally Posted by black86glhs

Come on guys, don't you really just like them because they came on the Cummins diesels and being cheap?!

That didnt hurt my decision to run one any. lol

[omni_840]

Originally Posted by rbryant

Yea I actually have an overlay (both compressor maps as semi-transparent) of the T04e-50 trim and the HX35 compressor map that shows how similar they really are. I think I also did the same for the closest GT series.

I can include them too.

-Rich

that would be really cool

[Austrian Dodge]

Originally Posted by bansheenut420

GT series turbos are good turbos, but why pay twice as much for the same performance and less durability. Works pretty damn good on my car being designed for a "diesel" turbo. We should compare dyno numbers when we are both up and running. Let not even get into the fact that the center section is throw away when it goes bad. You can buy a whole new holset just to rebuild your GT series.

i don't agree with your point on less durability...run your holset at a given boost level, say 20psi, with the bad luck of having no oil pressure.
now say good bye holset.

i know, now your point is: i can do that like 3 times and just buy 3 holsets

fine, but now you have to wrench again and the car is down again. call me lazy


i wont be able till summer, but i'll post my dynosheet - no problem

[bansheenut420]

Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge

i don't agree with your point on less durability...run your holset at a given boost level, say 20psi, with the bad luck of having no oil pressure.
now say good bye holset.

i know, now your point is: i can do that like 3 times and just buy 3 holsets

fine, but now you have to wrench again and the car is down again. call me lazy


i wont be able till summer, but i'll post my dynosheet - no problem

Call me lazy, but the turbo runs out of oil. The motor is GONE! Quicker than the turbo. So, what is the point of that poor comparison? Most of us like to run oil in our motors and turbos. I will keep oil in mine, you worry about pulling the motor and not the turbo. Which will probably be fubared by the crap that will be in your oil after your bearings go.

and I look forward to the dyno sheet. Your running a GT3076, it will look just like the dyno chart I posted on the other site with the dsm making a direct swap between a GT3076r and a holset hx40 pro and made more power. Enough power they had to change the tune to support the extra air. at the same psi. SOHC GT car Vs. DOHC hoslet car. This one is in the bag.

[mboyek]

Originally Posted by black86glhs

Come on guys, don't you really just like them because they came on the Cummins diesels and being cheap?!

$150 used + $70 rebuild kit and I didn't even get a good deal.

I like
1) Cheap
2) it came on a Dodge from the factory, so, I'm not stretching to too much saying "all stock dodge parts"

All that stuff about it actually making some boost and the scary jet engine noises are a bonus.

[turbovanman]

Originally Posted by bansheenut420

and I look forward to the dyno sheet. Your running a GT3076, it will look just like the dyno chart I posted on the other site with the dsm making a direct swap between a GT3076r and a holset hx40 pro and made more power. Enough power they had to change the tune to support the extra air. at the same psi. SOHC GT car Vs. DOHC hoslet car. This one is in the bag.

How about posting that chart up?

[bansheenut420]

Originally Posted by turbovanman

How about posting that chart up?

I dont have the link here with me at work, but I will be happy to once I get home and get the link. One of the dsm guys I have been talking to made 653awhp on my same turbo, so you know the holset can move some air.

[bansheenut420]

Originally Posted by mboyek

$150 used + $70 rebuild kit and I didn't even get a good deal.

I like
1) Cheap
2) it came on a Dodge from the factory, so, I'm not stretching to too much saying "all stock dodge parts"

All that stuff about it actually making some boost and the scary jet engine noises are a bonus.

All great reasons, but JET NOISE FTW! These are some of the loudest turbos I have heard!
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/1...uns_184008.htm
^^and thats only at 15psi!

The first run on this video is 11psi, the next is eight psi and you can still hear it wanting to suck the paint off the engine comp. Right towards the end of the second pull, you hear my massive creap problem I had till Ondonti ported the poop out of my wastegate hole. \/\/\/http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...run_181064.htm

[black86glhs]

Originally Posted by bansheenut420

That didnt hurt my decision to run one any. lol

Originally Posted by mboyek

$150 used + $70 rebuild kit and I didn't even get a good deal.

I like
1) Cheap
2) it came on a Dodge from the factory, so, I'm not stretching to too much saying "all stock dodge parts"

All that stuff about it actually making some boost and the scary jet engine noises are a bonus.

There we are good honest answers. I agree with both of you.