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    Effects of elevation on boost pressure

    The other day I was trying to figure out what the average atmospheric pressure was here in Denver. Originally I was trying to determine how hot I could get methanol before it boiled off (different project, unrelated to my Daytona) and then I realized that it would have an effect on where certain boost and power levels plot on a compressor map.

    Let us take the T04E 46 trim compressor map (http://www.squirrelpf.com/turbocalc/...product_id=2&), since it is one I've been considering running on my daytona. At sea level, 14.7 psi of boost is at a 2.0 pressure ratio. Assuming this is flowing 25 lbs/min of air, that puts us right in the middle of the compressor map, where it is the most efficient. Now, after all my searching I have discovered that atmospheric pressure at 5280 ft is 12.1 psi. This probably varies +/- a few tenths of a psi around town due to the variation in elevation depending how close to the mountains you are. But we will assume 12.1 psi in Denver just like 14.7 is assumed for sea level - for the sake of easy math. So at 12.1psi atmospheric pressure, 14.7psi of boost is a higher pressure ratio (2.21), which moves us higher up the map. Still in that center island of efficiency. But this effect probably gets magnified the higher boost goes.

    Let us say one is running 24.2 psi of boost, and getting 30 lbs/minute of airflow. That is a pressure ratio of 2.64 at sea level. This puts us right on the edge of that center efficieny island. However, in Denver, that is a pressure ratio of 3.0, which puts us out of the efficient section of the map and uncomfortably close to the surge line. Now since it is my understanding that cars gow slower on the same boost levels here at altitude than they do at sea level, which gives me the impression that not only do pressure ratios go up at altitude, but flow rates also drop because the the less dense air. This would make the shifting of points on the compressor map worse, because now with the point moving to the left instead of just up, it is moving closer to the surge line.

    Now am I just getting all worked up about nothing because I don't understand what I am talking about, or is this something I should take into account when selecting a turbo and planning boost and power levels for my daytona? Is is possible that this is a non-issue because I am estimating lower airflow rates for a certain boost level than this turbo is likely to produce on our engines? Could some of the resident turbo gurus chime and and help set me straight, please?
    Last edited by Koreth; 11-05-2006 at 03:47 PM.

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