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    How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    I bought a few new Molex female connectors (33088-0009) for the 60 way ECU connector, I wanted to replace a few poor connections on an old 60 way.
    connector thread http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/sh...=1#post1029585
    A new connector grips a #54 drill bit but not a #55 (0.055" vs 0.052". Remember that the male pin on the ECU are hollow split and can be adjusted to be a few thous larger for good contact. I use a known good female to check for proper friction fit.

    as a sidenote, I have tested a used 60 way I had on the shelf and a few of the 60 had a poor connection. From this data, I would to suggestion checking the 60 way with a #54 bit (shalf end please to reduce the possibility of cutting the inside of the connector.

    Does anyone know the cream coloured grease that ships inside the female connector? I would guess white lithium grease.

    Or do you know of any good product for these connections? dielectric grease? Deoxit5?
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    you know my standard responce to elecrtical conector protectant is
    rust check , rust check rust check

    even says good for electrical connections and helps preserve insolation right on the can I believe

    best of all your connectors never collect crud and grime.. 'cause there isn't a glob of grease for stuff to stick to

    -and spritzing the connector with the rattle can of rust check will also blast out any crud that did find a way in

    keeps the connection waterproof .. keeps the wires from turning green - no electrical grease I've found does that

    it's part of my rust check routine
    spritz the connectors , all of 'em and hose down the back side of the strut towers at the seam to the firewall

    in all the years I never had an issue at a connector but the big fused together splice in the ground cable between the alternator , head and battery did bite my backside once

    rust check might actually help remove any existing green corrosion too

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Johny Dodge View Post
    you know my standard responce to elecrtical conector protectant is
    rust check , rust check rust check

    even says good for electrical connections and helps preserve insolation right on the can I believe

    best of all your connectors never collect crud and grime.. 'cause there isn't a glob of grease for stuff to stick to

    -and spritzing the connector with the rattle can of rust check will also blast out any crud that did find a way in

    keeps the connection waterproof .. keeps the wires from turning green - no electrical grease I've found does that

    it's part of my rust check routine
    spritz the connectors , all of 'em and hose down the back side of the strut towers at the seam to the firewall

    in all the years I never had an issue at a connector but the big fused together splice in the ground cable between the alternator , head and battery did bite my backside once

    rust check might actually help remove any existing green corrosion too
    Thanks I can see Rust Check working
    Regards,
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    I decided to see what is the internal structure and if one could improve the performance with a worn contact. The good news is yes and it is easy. Use a small safety pinto pry each of the contact half towards the centre slightly.If the wire crimp is at 12 noon, the pry points are 90 degrees at 9am and 3pm.
    Here are pictures so you can see what I am referring to.
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Might have to give this a try. Yet again this morning it decided to start its cutting out BS again. Wiggle some wires and things came back to life...
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Interesting, I never realized how they were made. I was able to find a repair 60 pin connector on eBay, an actual OEM MOPAR and was able to order a pair from one of my good MOPAR sources. They were for a different application than the SBEC, but were easily modified by opening up the needed holes, and using the supplied blanking pins for unused, pre-drilled holes. They come with an assortment of wires, purple and orange with purple being probably 18 ga and orange 16 ga. I will try to get the PN and a picture later. The back shell that covers and protects the wiring is not included as it is location specific and easily swapped.

    I need to see if I can use one of those and a connector from a bad SBEC to modify my Ford 60 pin EEC-IV breakout box to use on SBECs which could be a big help.

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    The 60 way connector repair kits come in a few different part numbers.

    5013934AA
    5013935AA
    5013936AA
    5013937AA
    5013938AA
    5013939AA

    The -37AA is grey for the EATX controller, and maybe the ABS but IDK for sure. The two indexing tabs are further apart so they cannot interchange.

    The others are interchangeable for our purposes, the difference is the 'clocking' position of the back shell and some have all the holes opened, some have the center row on both sides still solid.
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Glad you had the numbers, I was going to grab my unused spare and see what the number was. I did find a complete later catalog of Chrysler connectors on-line and have actually ordered and used some of the 10 way male/female ones. They have nice flat pins and very solid sockets, are weather sealed and come with pigtails. Easy to assemble, male/female pins snap in and the locking insert is pushed down until it snaps into place. The ones I bought also have the positive lock on the release latch.

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Those sound like the APEX 2.8's With some heat/age/weather cycling they tend to stick and refuse to come apart easily but they do make a very solid reliable connection, they were developed for the diesel engine applications where heat and vibration attack everything.
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Johny Dodge View Post
    you know my standard response to electrical connector protectant is
    rust check , rust check rust check

    even says good for electrical connections and helps preserve isolation right on the can I believe
    I was talking on Sunday with my best buddy in Nova Scotia (this is Latin for salt on roads....LOL) I have never seen a place worse for salt. He worked for 20+ years for Ryder trucks as a diesel mechanic. I asked him which product is best on electrical connection especially under salty condition.

    He said Rust Check, Rust Check the one with the red cap....
    Last edited by chromguy; 01-28-2020 at 02:14 PM.
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    LOL
    I've only had one terminal end fail- my truck in the rylander can tire parking lot
    starter lug wouldn't let the truck start to leave.. fortunately a guy driving a CAA tow truck pulled up and parked beside me
    (I have awesome karma)

    yep .. never once sprayed THAT one ..FAIL

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Ok, I have a question for you fellows to the North. What is Rust Check?

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    the red can is what's been mentioned here
    I have no clue what the others are .. never needed them

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rust+check&hl=en-GB&sourceid=gd&rlz=1Q1GGLD_enCA728CA728


    https://www.google.com/search?q=rust+check&hl=en-GB&sourceid=gd&rlz=1Q1GGLD_enCA728CA728
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    nother one
    for dry grey rough old nasty t top trim..

    this stuff will make a t top look BRAND FREAKING NEW .. the plastic trim

    NEVER sand or paint your old oxidized t top trim
    POLISH it back to new with this

    https://www.google.com/search?q=gel+...iw=671&bih=345

    should take you about an hour and a half with some wet rags
    THAT TRIM WILL LOOK LIKE NEW PLASTIC...I promise you

    ..used it myself for DECADES

    note it stinks to high hell .. you want some gloves if you care about that

    note too it's FIBERGLASS POLISH .. it WILL remove things you may not wish it too

    - like the black trim paint used on the tail lamp lens
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    That's great! However, there are no Canadian Tire stores here. I have sent a contact message to them asking if there are any dealers or distributors here.

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    back of can says

    made in canada
    RUST CHECK CORP.
    6175 Danville rd
    Mississauga ontario
    L5T 2H7

    multi purpose rust inhibitor and residual lubricant that
    penetretates the tightest seams, bonding to metal and despelling moisture - the
    number one cause of corrosion . Ideal for: automotive , bicycles, garged and power tools, fishing rods,guns,hinges, electrical connections,motors locks latches seized parts and coating for storage and shipment.


    and ,, for those always frozen shut daytona doors .. some spread on the weatherstrip can prevent the freezing
    if you keep the can warm in the house it's also good for unsticking that frozen door latch once you get the door open and can't shut it 'cause now the new problem is the cold door latch
    yeah .. this one point makes these cars a real blinkin pain up here

    can't open the door .. then you can't latch it again .. real nice didge real nice..

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    I used rust check to free up a super rare holley spread bore 830 carb with a seized throttle plate
    (subs for dodge thermoquad)
    I put the T-plate in a plastic pan about the same size and sprayed rust check on it until I had it soaking in the pan
    -kicked it under my truck in the garage -- remembered it (found) in the spring and it worked like new

    it will make all your bolt heads steel gray again if they are not flaked with rust

    check is to rust as check is to hockey ...STOP ...NOW I TAKE THAT AWAY FROM YOU

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    I used the link to the company website and sent them a message. I asked about dealers or distributors in the US, no list, but did hear back from Mitch Romeo at Rust Check. He asked what I would looking for and gave me two options, a 6 pack of 350g aerosol cans or a 12 pack of 180g aerosol cans. I asked for price and shipping on the latter as it will probably be better for me.

    Now if we can just get it imported into the US so others can benefit from it.

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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    Quote Originally Posted by 85lebaront2 View Post
    That's great! However, there are no Canadian Tire stores here. I have sent a contact message to them asking if there are any dealers or distributors here.
    https://www.rustcheck.com/dealer-locator/

    I typed in my Pa zip code and it showed a few in NY/Ohio
    Looks like one in North Carolina also

    I'd like to try some myself, my garage has alot of air flow and likes to flash rust stuff on these warm days / cold nights
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    Re: How to test quality of 60 way female pins

    the stuff also smells .. well , nice .. its meant to so the inside of your car won't smell like chemicals

    there's rust check shops that are rust proofing spray shops .. up on the hoist and sprayed with a commercial unit

    guaranteed for life .. no holes if you do it every year

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