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    86 lancer no start

    Have a problem and need help ASAP. 86 Dodge Lancer with an 89 turbo Caravan harness. Car was running fine I shut it off went to start it back up to move it and the car won't start. Replaced the heP, the ASD relay, and even switch back to a stock smec. The car normally has a socked smec running an ostrich in it. The fuel pump will not prime when you turn the key. I can jump the ASD relay and get it to Prime. There is no spark when cranking.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    I would guess that it's cal related.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Have a problem and need help ASAP. 86 Dodge Lancer with an 89 turbo Caravan harness. Car was running fine I shut it off went to start it back up to move it and the car won't start. Replaced the heP, the ASD relay, and even switch back to a stock smec. The car normally has a socked smec running an ostrich in it. The fuel pump will not prime when you turn the key. I can jump the ASD relay and get it to Prime. There is no spark when cranking.
    The 12v feed from the ASD powers not only the fuel pump but also the injectors and coil also. So it makes sense that if you have to jump the ASD to get the fuel pump to prime, then the coil and injectors are also missing power.

    Since this happens with both your custom smec and the stock one, it looks like there is something wrong with either the ASD relay or the wiring to it. You need to figure out why the ASD is not energizing.

    If the fuel pump primed then the power to it all went off, it would look like the HEP was faulty, as no signal from the HEP will cause the ASD to de-energize. But it sounds like that is not the case in your instance.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Thanks barry. Im starting to think it's a grounding problem

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    A bad ground will cause all sorts of havoc. Check J5 ground in the SMEC, that's the one that sidelined RedBox for a month. Also, when you crank does the tach bump up off the zero line?

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    It did. Later on in the day i tried to start the car. I turn the key on and the ASD relay started clicking really fast.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    It's almost certainly a ground if you're getting the ASD going crazy.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    There are 4 wires on the asd. Red is constant that feeds the dark green and black when the asd is activeted. One wire is switch power and the other side is grounded. If i run the ground directly to the battery I can get the fuel pump to turn on but I still don't have spark.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    I guess ECU issue. So, you tried the socketed ECU and a stock ECU?

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Yes and yes

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Somebody needs to make this a sticky over here too:

    http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/...k-84-90-a.html

    Run through this, and it should point you right to the problem. Has always worked for me.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Quote Originally Posted by 83scamp View Post
    Somebody needs to make this a sticky over here too:

    http://www.turbododge.com/forums/f4/...k-84-90-a.html
    We can't / won't sticky something that is not authored here.

    Also, those of us that are not turbododge.com members cannot follow the link. Instead we get a message asking us to join.

    As for me, that will never happen (personal reasons).


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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    That's too bad. I know there were a lot of issues in the past, but that is long ago water under the bridge. Time to let go.

    There is a lot of good info over there, and a lot of very good troubleshooting guides.

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    I don't want to go off topic but I do want to say simply that the past differences with TD are pretty much pointless to dwell on now as it's owned by autoguide
    as staff there I can say we are pretty much on our own as far as input from the owners goes
    (hell most of the staff is mia too and "those" that were an issue in the past are long gone and won't be back)

    while the TD site might be more for the general user and TM might lean more towards the hard core modifier all I can say is it's a waste of a second resource to ignore it
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    as for this car that won't start , has the firewall ground been checked - I know it dosn't always make a difference like in a log motor car but sometimes it can
    also the ground wire to the std trans will prevent starting if broken

    is it an automatic ? - could the issue be in the start safety switch ?

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Could be a bad/loose connection at the terminal in the SMEC 60-way. I had one in my Lebaron that I had to stick a few strands of copper wire in to get it to make proper contact.
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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    I haven't touched the car since i made this post, mainly because of work. Im thinking its a grounding problem. If i ground the asd relay i can get the fuel pump to prime but still no spark. Im going to run 2 new grounds ( pass by alternator and intake to firewall) can I run the ground off the same bolt hole as the injector harness uses?

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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Should be able to.
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    Re: 86 lancer no start

    Ok well that didn't work. Im going to go through the trouble shooting process today and report back.

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