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    Ultimate Shadow ES

    From the ruins of fire and a warehouse of privately kept items, there's enough to complete a few final projects.
    We are taking the core of the "Ultimate Daytona" from Mopar Magazine and transplanting it into CSX #65.
    Although, I'm returning to the car to it's original "pre-shelby" status as a 1987 appearing Shadow ES.
    "Stay Tuned"


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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    I'm excited to see what someone with intimate knowledge will create as the "ultimate" XXXXX. I know I've often wanted to create a nitrous system that was just that, but never had the support of resources allocated to allow it to happen. I understand why, just not feasible, not enough ROI, but still, it's kind of a scratch that one wants to itch!

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    Looking forward to seeing this project develop!
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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    The reasoning behind the project...

    This is being built with Shelby prototype components from the Whittier facility and many of the remaining NOS accessories necessary to obtain a 'production' type look.
    At the time, close attention to detail was supported even down to Mahle providing T-III style 2.5 pistons with the correct 4 valve reliefs cut into the pistons.
    There were two custom forged cranks machined for testing at Whittier, as the 2.5 Lotus was the production plan for the 1990 CSX.
    This is how 7 white CSX's with Fibrerides came to be.
    3 with the bilstein adjustable suspension, 3 with 16v powertrains, 2 with T-II powertrains and one show car for autoshow exhibits and magazine publications.
    Once the relationship between Shelby and Chrysler deteriorated, the program was cancelled and the meeting minutes/notes and related documentation I've captured clearly depict what was going to be built.
    Some of the items being posted for sale (NOS Shelby interior, prototype CSX steering wheel, etc...) are pristine items that were slated to complete this production intent 1990 CSX based on Chrysler marketing plans and the engineering meeting notes mentioned above.
    The 1990 CSX planned content was as follows:
    • White 1990 Shadow
    • Silver Fibrerides
    • Silver 1989 CSX styled decal graphics - "CSX" was to be solid rather than outlined
    • Silver "16v Intercooled" power-bulge graphic
    • 1989 styled ground effects
    • 2.5L 16v Lotus - w/o cam phasing
    • Shelby Interior - Non-Recaro for cost reduction
    • Shelby signature steering wheel deleted due to NHTSA air bag Chrysler "common column"
    • Shelby dash badge
    • etc...


    This would be enjoyable to build but I've simplified/lightened the project by making the car a standard Shadow ES.
    Although, the project will receive a few tricks and changes realized through the years while being completed with the intent of a 'production' look.
    These items are as follows:
    • A/C compressor relocation
    • Long runner intake (both the 8v and 16v benefit from this)
    • Corrected flow direction through the intercooler (The T-III flows backwards through the intercooler which adds undesired PSI drop)
    • Updated Intercooler core mounted in the production location
    • Custom software for dual injection per port (improved fuel adaptation without sacrificing peak performance)
    • Removal of the 3D spark and fuel look-up table in the software - (This is a huge tax on processing time and it can be simplified)
    • TU 3" exhaust modified to have a stock appearing dual tail pipe as equipped on the 1987 Shadow ES
    • NOS 1989 Shadow ES interior, as pictured
    • Etc... etc.. etc..
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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    See! I knew it was going to be good!
    Mr Ken, what is your intent with the completed car? Do you plan to race it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheming View Post
    See! I knew it was going to be good!
    Mr Ken, what is your intent with the completed car? Do you plan to race it?
    I'm going race and beat the crap out of this car !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    This is going to be coooooool!!!

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    AWESOME! Subscribed!

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    Quote Originally Posted by 5DIGITS View Post
    I'm going race and beat the crap out of this car !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I love hearing that!
    Now i'm even more anxious!
    Wayne H.

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    87 Shadow ES was my first TM bought with my Navy paychecks from Hayward Dodge as a fresh faced 20 year old so I'm in

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    In 1990, when my GLH was totaled by a large pickup truck that decided to blow a red light, I bought an 87 Shadow ES Turbo 5spd (white with light blue interior - loved that combo) . It was one of my favorite fwd mopar's and I always regretted the ending for that car (driving way too fast on an unknown wet road and didn't make the corner and slid off the road into a stone wall - destroyed passenger frame rail and floor board...grrrr). It was a really early build 87 with no ground effects and I swear it had a hood vent and a power bulge on it.

    Really looking forward to your build. Def subscribed!

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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    Ken, I see where you list off all the "possibilities" for what was to be the 1990 CSX. What about the blue car that most people know as the 1990 prototype? Or was that the"show car"?

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    How was so much power possible
    Srt4 ( 2.4L dohc) at 14psi makes 230, even with stage 3 hmo 356/360 @25 psi


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    This is going to be one awesome car! Subscribed! Not to hijack the thread but I'd love to know more about the planned TIII cam phasing possibilities. lightyears ahead of its time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1 View Post
    Ken, I see where you list off all the "possibilities" for what was to be the 1990 CSX. What about the blue car that most people know as the 1990 prototype? Or was that the"show car"?
    That was Shelby's hope for the 1990 production car but Chrysler wanted nothing to do with the Bonzai blue.
    Additionally, they entertained a wastegated VNT for the T-III as a 2.2 but Garrett costs were astronomical and their new production facility already had build variation issues that were not realized with the early hand-built VNT's. This is why the minimum attainable boost was all over the map in production and ultimately caused the VNT to be cancelled.
    Therefore, the 2.2 T-III with a wastegated VNT was quickly discarded as an option and Chrysler marketing took over to define a car against Shelby's interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.216VTurbo View Post
    87 Shadow ES was my first TM bought with my Navy paychecks from Hayward Dodge as a fresh faced 20 year old so I'm in
    I've become addicted to 87 CSX's and 87 ES's... might part with this one if not used to save 87 CSX's
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    Re: Ultimate Shadow ES

    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyb View Post
    In 1990, when my GLH was totaled by a large pickup truck that decided to blow a red light, I bought an 87 Shadow ES Turbo 5spd (white with light blue interior - loved that combo) . It was one of my favorite fwd mopar's and I always regretted the ending for that car (driving way too fast on an unknown wet road and didn't make the corner and slid off the road into a stone wall - destroyed passenger frame rail and floor board...grrrr). It was a really early build 87 with no ground effects and I swear it had a hood vent and a power bulge on it.

    Really looking forward to your build. Def subscribed!
    Hood vent on a P body? Hmmm, it's OK Mr Berubi, my memory isn't what it used to be either

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit1991 View Post
    This is going to be one awesome car! Subscribed! Not to hijack the thread but I'd love to know more about the planned TIII cam phasing possibilities. lightyears ahead of its time
    Excellent point, specs too - I.e. How many degrees and what rpm does the ram start


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    Quote Originally Posted by fixit View Post
    Excellent point, specs too - I.e. How many degrees and what rpm does the ram start
    The cam phasers may be a later addition but are not planned for now.
    Largely due to having to modify the body and radiator core support to accommodate the system.
    Two front engine mounts are required, the A/C bracket is rendered useless, the passenger side mount move's outward and clearance needs to be provided for the drive motor that moves the belt idler arms. The adjustment capability to the cam position was more than needed and monitored by a linear sensor mounted between the two pulled - screwed directly to the head.
    I'll collect the hardware and post a pic if anyone is interested - it's quite the mechanical contraption.

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