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    Misfre Help

    86 Shelby Charger
    Low mile 8v T2 engine out of 89 Masi TC
    87 GLHS Stage 2 LM, 87 wiring
    Currently no intercooler hooked up, wastegate hooked up to manifold, 5 psi boost max at WOT

    Plugs are RN12YC Champions, new
    Denso plug wires, new
    Airtex/Wells cap/rotor, new
    Stock OEM 31 year old coil

    Under light throttle, there is no misfire at all. Under part/heavy throttle the car misses and breaks up badly. Sometimes it is worse than other times. Sometimes it will start accelerating well, then like flipping a switch, you can feel a loss of power and misfire. Or, it will start missing badly, then clear up and accelerate. Engine temperature seems to not change the symptoms.

    Fuel pressure KOEO is about 50 psi. KOER about 53 psi at idle, 57 psi with vacuum line off regulator. Fuel pressure while driving remains steady, and under WOT up a hill will hit about 60 psi. This is using a snap on gauge ran up and out of the hood into the car.

    I changed the plug gap from 35 thou to 25 thou and took it around my neighborhood. It seemed to help. The misfire seems to be more inconsistent, and before where it felt like multiple cylinders were cutting out, now it feels like only one cylinder is cutting in/out.

    Any thoughts or tests I should perform before ordering a new coil?
    Also, this setup was running GREAT for about 50 miles after I got it running. Then this started happening.

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    Re: Misfre Help

    Wiggle the LM plugs and see if anything changes. Common to have bad terminals in there.
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    Re: Misfre Help

    How's the cam timing? Spark timing? Try a different HEP?

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    also try wiggeling both ends of the coil wire

    I had one that was lose at the coil and when I'd stomp on it the weight of the coil wire between the coil and the clip at the motor mount was enough to pull the contact apart just enough to cause a miss
    it too was one ot those intermitent deals

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    Re: Misfre Help

    No Vac/boost leak at the four way? If you used the Masi vac harness they tend to come apart there, I suppose they all do but the large 4mm vac line on the TC's seems to be loose on just about every car. Usually it sits symptom free until you start to up the boost.

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    Re: Misfre Help

    Thanks for all the tips! Wiggled wires at LM, no change. Different HEP swapped in, no change. Replaced coil (Autozone had one in stock for cheap, figured it wouldn't hurt to have a backup if it didn't fix it) no change. I drove it to work today, 30 miles round trip. I didn't drive hard and stayed out of the boost. Sometimes it drives fine, sometimes it starts missing and falls on it's face. Anyway, I scoped out the secondary ignition, chocked the wheels, and made it misfire under load. Cylinder 3 waveform was indicative of a very lean condition. It is also throwing a code 51, but no power loss light. I'm thinking the 28 year old junkyard injectors have seen better days. More testing will be done. Also, I did find and repair a vacuum leak.

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    Re: Misfre Help

    go over/rebuild the injector harness possibly too.

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    Injector harness is already re-built. Today it was barely running. Only cylinders 1 and 2 were firing. I have power to 3 and 4 injectors, but noid light doesn't flash. Continuity on injector ground to PM is good. Looking like the PM took a dump.

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    Re: Misfre Help

    That is what it sounds like.
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    Re: Misfre Help

    Alright. Much research done on how the injectors actually operate and the system/wiring. Wires traced and tested. Found a poor connection on the wire that fires injectors 3/4 going from the LM the PM. Loose connection was at the pm itself. I used a small pick to tighten the terminals up in the female connector. Drove to work today. Chirped the gears in 2nd. Ran really good. 15 miles/45 minutes in traffic. A couple of small hiccups but the tac was dropping too so I'm guessing a separate issue.

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