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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    hey morris, i was looking at the stock and MP glhs cals in the repository and they table files that are included dont have any definitions. can you make some mptune versions of those? those shouldnt be hard cause they are basically the same as 87t2 with a few differences.

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    hey morris, i was looking at the stock and MP glhs cals in the repository and they table files that are included dont have any definitions. can you make some mptune versions of those? those shouldnt be hard cause they are basically the same as 87t2 with a few differences.

    thanks

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    actually, brian, i was just looking at both of those. with the trouble some are having with the turbonator versions of the glhs cals i decided i need to convert the stock cals to mptune. should be fairly easy since rob has most of the stuff identified already in the turbonator stuff. basically he added a couple new tables and some extra code.

    i need to finish up the 2.4 masi 16v this week and get that posted. then i'll look at doing the other 2 over the next few weeks. it's about 99% done. just trying to get all the map and injector scaling set up.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    actually, brian, i was just looking at both of those. with the trouble some are having with the turbonator versions of the glhs cals i decided i need to convert the stock cals to mptune. should be fairly easy since rob has most of the stuff identified already in the turbonator stuff. basically he added a couple new tables and some extra code.

    i need to finish up the 2.4 masi 16v this week and get that posted. then i'll look at doing the other 2 over the next few weeks. it's about 99% done. just trying to get all the map and injector scaling set up.
    exactly why i was looking for the stock GLHS versions of a cal..... cause some are having issues with the T-GLHS stuff.

    thanks.

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    exactly why i was looking for the stock GLHS versions of a cal..... cause some are having issues with the T-GLHS stuff.

    thanks.

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    specifically which glhs cals? 86 or 87?
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    specifically which glhs cals? 86 or 87?
    how different are they? they are both 86 LM based. same with the glhs mp stage2

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Yes. The 87 Shelby Charger GLHS cal is the same as the 86 (or close enough). The only one of the 87 Shelby cals not to get updated that year, since the 87 was going to be the last year for the GLHS.

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    i guess i never answered your question morris. i just asked another question lol.

    id say any of them. but especially the MP stage 2 and one of the years stock cal.

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    so, i'll look at:
    86_22_t2_mtx_017_GLHS
    87_22_t2_mtx_641_CSX_MP_StageII
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Morris, I think you can just run those 2 cals thru my latest dis-assmbler (using my symbol file and table templates) and it will make the .mpt files for you. Pretty much completely...
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    thanks rob. i'll dig it up.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    added the stock 87 csx mp stg2 cal. all the data and scaling info is there for review. should only be used for reference. to be used as a working cal i need to remove the .org statements.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    added the stock 87 csx mp stg2 cal. all the data and scaling info is there for review. should only be used for reference. to be used as a working cal i need to remove the .org statements.
    should you label it "reference" and then add the one with the .org's removed?

    also, im guessing the GLHS is coming when you get time (dont feel rushed.... we need you to not feel rushed lol)

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    should you label it "reference" and then add the one with the .org's removed?

    also, im guessing the GLHS is coming when you get time (dont feel rushed.... we need you to not feel rushed lol)

    Brian
    i suppose i should just get rid of the .orgs. that way people can just use it like a regular cal, e.g. scaling, add points, etc.

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

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    she's home now.........................
    i understand lol :-)

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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    ok, redid the mp stg 2 cal and commented out the .org statements as well as deleted several of the original filler tables to allow users room to now add/delete table points. so the scaling is all set up so they should be functional mptune based cals. i'ld love to have someone try it and see how it works. i did find one table in the t-lm version that was not set up to be scaled but looks like it should have been, and in fact is being scaled in the t-smec version (only 1 i checked). i believe it was the DeltaMapEnrichmentFromTemp2 table. not quite certain on that though.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    added the stock 86_22_t2_640_glhs_stgii cal. scaling is set up and should be able to be fully used in mptune.

    **edit**
    hang on. need to fix something first.

    **edit again**

    ok, fixed the cal above and also added the 86_22_t2_mtx_017_glhs cal.

    both should be able to be scaled and points added.

    give them a try.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Wowzer, I started my tuning with the 87_22_t2_mtx_641_CSX_MP_StageII as my baseline. I am super green at this (just got a socketed LM and burner like 2 weeks ago) but I am starting to learn. I scaled for +40 injectors and 3bar map, starting, idle, cruise were all very good. Very rich under decel and very lean under part and full throttles. I have gone through a bunch of iterations now and have been adjusting the three tables as well as the PE curve to get a better AF ratio while driving. The only problem with the Cal I have noticed is it logs that one error DeltaMapEnrichmentFromTemp2 but it does not appear to affect the car. Just wanted to give some feedback on it.

    Actually looking back I started with this Cal
    T_LM_22_MTX_A641_MPSTGII , not the one you listed above, sorry.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    Rich in vacuum and lean under boost means the map fuel tables should be adjusted. PE table is for when the AF changes due to rpms. Rich on decel with no throttle input means you need to pull fuel out of the fuel baseline table in high vacuum, IE above the idle vacuum. I typically pull fuel to nothing at 24 or 25 inhg.
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    Re: MPTune non Turbonator cals

    added the stock 92_25_t1_xtx_125 cal. tried to set up scaling the best i could.
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    Just out of curiosity was there any progress made on the 1990 masi 16v cal?

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