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    Ramerati Reborn

    Of the six TM's I own, the Ramerati is my favorite. It even stole my heart from my first love - the Sante Fe Springs Blue GLHT that I bought new in 1985 on the 5% interest, 5 year Note, 5 year/50000 mile warranty deal that Iacocca used as part of his resuscitation program.

    Some pics. Going to track days, going fishing, and the T in the "Omega" at Big Willow.
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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Here is a catalogue pic of the Godspeed SRT4 log manifold and a shot of the corner of the manifold with its spacer plate as fabricated by Boyd G.

    The next pic is of the engine when I brought it home from Boyd's house after he machined his way around the problem of NS1 plain bearings for the lower end. He then adapted a Godspeed SRT4 log manifold to fit the Masi head by fabricating that spacer plate and used a few "Z bolts." The new manifold was "needed" (lol) because, the stock exhaust manifold's ISI turbo (and really the ISI's flange pattern/size) are choke points. While the Godspeed/SRT4 manifold's ports align, all the studs do not. Boyd also had to re-work the oil drainage from the center of the valve cover by drilling and tapping for new drain points at the corners of the valve box and then bending up new drain pipes and figuring out the fittings/connections. You can see one side's new drain pipe snaking around the corner of the new manifold.

    Next I have the engine and transaxle on a home built stand, the point of which is that it holds both, in order to mock up the AWIC location and the extension of the IM neck. The IC had to be stepped out from the engine in order to get a clear sight to the timing window in the bell housing. Placing the IC on top of the transaxle works with a 520 because it has that notched out pad where the build date/gearing badge is placed.
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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Pics of fabrication of intake manifold extension. Lots of hand work, inside and out. Welded the extension to the manifold first and not to the throttle body flange so asto leave room for access to interior on the other side of the bend, and then after that was blended, welded on the flange that the throttle body bolts too, and then blended that part of the interior.

    Also a pic of the bottom of the new bend and of one of the thermocouples I got with Acannel's dual thermocouple kit and smart readout/gauge so I will be able to report to you all the delta between the hot and the cool sides of this intercooler. See pic of thermocouple in hot side - turbo outlet.
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    Last edited by johnl; 02-26-2016 at 07:11 PM.
    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Re: Ramerati Reborn

    Why not just make a connector pipe between the throttle body and AWIC? Seems like a lot of work to change the configuration of the intake when an elbow could have been built or bought more easily.

    I like the adaptation of the SRT-4 exhaust manifold as oppose to building a one-off piece.
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    Re: Ramerati Reborn

    Dude, this project is friggin' awesome! Lots of very cool engineering going on and a very cool name and concept.

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    Thanks guys.

    AJ the bend of the Masi IM neck points down at about 45* and it's turn is short of where it had to go. I need to post pics of a stock one next to this modded one and you will see.

    Wastelands, thanks but credit for the name of this trucklet goes to someone else as the name preceded my purchase of it and it has been down for a few years
    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnl View Post
    Thanks guys.

    AJ the bend of the Masi IM neck points down at about 45* and it's turn is short of where it had to go. I need to post pics of a stock one next to this modded one and you will see.

    Wastelands, thanks but credit for the name of this trucklet goes to someone else as the name preceded my purchase of it and it has been down for a few years
    Dig it bro. A great name is a great name whoever comes up with it.

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    I used to think that intercoolers are supposed to be held in place with T-bolt clamps. lol

    These pics show some overkill bracketry but as they say "that thing aint going nowhere."

    First pic is at the top rear, third is rear lower near trans cable bracket and starter, fourth is front lower near clutch lever, fifth is another of that top rear bracket that ties the rear of the IC to one of the compressor's face bolts, and sixth shows two bolt bosses. There are two more similar bolt bosses welded to the bottom that connect to a steel girdle bracket that wraps around and bolts to that little square box that's part of a 520's bell housing.
    I shouldn't have any hoses popping off.

    The second pic is of the BOV and its welded on flange; shows the welding warpage that I had to cure with a mill file.
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    Last edited by johnl; 02-26-2016 at 07:43 PM.
    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Another pic of the warped BOV flange, test set up to compare performance of two AWIC coolant pump, and notes on results of that testing.

    I compared the Bosch AWIC pump that comes on all the supercharged Fords to a smaller lighter cheaper Chinese 3 phase pump and concluded that in terms of performance they were comparable. I've installed the Chinese pump because, being three phase, it draws less power. Also, it is quieter, and its size and barb's configurations fit the place I wanted to put it better.

    Both pumps moved 8 gallons of water through the IC and exchanger in 1 minute and as for "head" both would throw a stream of water 15" above the end of a 6' vertical section of 3/4" heater hose. The water just flies through that clear vinyl hose, it must just "scrub" the inside of the tubes of those two heat exchangers.

    Can I post a .mov file here? as I have video of the water flying through the inside that vinyl hose.
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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    I knew I hadn't seen Ramerati in a long while but didn't know it was getting a complete rethink. Good on you

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    Looking good John! Nice to see progress is being made on the Ramerati. Between talking to the late great Dave G.and Charlie W & Rick D (16V engine) about this vehicle at length, I feel I know it pretty well. As I think I've told you before, that one almost wound up in my garage twice. Once to fix issues Charlie was having trouble sorting out, and another time when Charlie wanted to sell it. Looks like nice fabrication work it deserves is going into it. When I welded a BOV flange to the cast end tanks of the intercooler on Quacks Masi GLHS the same thing happened. Made a mental note many years ago, note to self, drill hole AFTER welding flange to end tank (lol).
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    Thanks Todd. Dreaming about . . . . maybe SDAC ?!?

    Here's some pics relating to the Ford heat exchanger that fits inside a '87 GLHS aluminum bumper which will replace the stock steel bumper. The aluminum is fab friendly in that it easily drills/taps for mounting the fans, pump, etc.

    Pics show:

    1. the thermocouple (with internal relay) that will sample IC coolant temp and that I have pre-set to switch on the heat exchanger's two motorcycle fans at 100*F; I tapped into the side of the IC's hot side water box for a 1/8" NPT compression fitting that works with that thermocouple probe.

    2. the bumper (upside down) with the turbo Volvo oil cooler that hangs below the bumper, and

    3. the two fans, each from a Kawasaki KX500 twin, that fit nicely inside the bumper.
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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Pics of:

    Heat shield for power steering pump

    Adapter from 1/2" British Parallel Pipe thread (of Volvo oil cooler- go figure?!) to 1/2" Push Lock 90* elbow fitting in 37* JIC

    Pleated air filter idea, vs

    T1 type (85 GHLT) air box idea

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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Oil cooler hoses with JIC fittings and pinch clamps, and

    IM neck/elbow extension as completed.
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    John Laing "The sole condition which is required in order to succeed in centralizing the supreme power in a democratic community, is to love equality, or to get men to believe you love it. Thus the science of despotism, which was once so complex is simplified, and reduced . . . . to a single principle." -- Alexis de Tocqueville "One of the methods used by statists to destroy capitalism consists in establishing controls that tie a given industry hand and foot, making it unable to solve its problems, then declaring that freedom has failed and stronger controls are necessary." --Ayn Rand "To evolve, you don't need a Constitution. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box . . . . things will evolve as much as you want. All of these changes can come about democratically; you don't need a Constitution to do that and it's not the function of a Constitution to do that." -- Justice Antonin Scalia

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    Gotta love me some Masi power! I'm thinking of doing a WAIC on mine, too.

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    Wow! That modded intake looks GREAT! Can't even tell it was modified. I love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 l-bodies View Post
    Looking good John! Nice to see progress is being made on the Ramerati. Between talking to the late great Dave G.and Charlie W & Rick D (16V engine) about this vehicle at length, I feel I know it pretty well. As I think I've told you before, that one almost wound up in my garage twice. Once to fix issues Charlie was having trouble sorting out, and another time when Charlie wanted to sell it. Looks like nice fabrication work it deserves is going into it. When I welded a BOV flange to the cast end tanks of the intercooler on Quacks Masi GLHS the same thing happened. Made a mental note many years ago, note to self, drill hole AFTER welding flange to end tank (lol).
    Todd
    Thanks Todd; a lot of thought, money, and effort went into that build and after I figured out how to deal with the issues that, after Dave's passing, Charlie had, the trucklet gave me a lot of satisfaction and pride of ownership.



    The biggest puzzle was the MAP sensor code, 13 or 37 or some such, if I recall correctly, that the car kept throwing. It turned out that there is a good reason for vacuum take off barbs to NOT be on the floor of the intake manifold; a slight amount of oil from the turbo would condense on the floor and drain down into the MAP vacuum line and make its way to the MAP sensor and foul it. The fix was, what else? - JB weld. I drilled out the inside of the 3/8" NPT vacuum barb to accept a piece of thin wall steel tubing (a piece of a golf club shaft), the open end of which then stood 1" above the floor of the intake manifold. With that stand pipe any oil on the floor of the manifold went into the engine instead of into the MAP sensor.

    I would appreciate any recollections you might have concerning the car's build or history.

    For instance, there was a piece of square tubing that was welded to the front motor mount and it ran back to and was bolted to the K frame, which tied the two together. I was forced to cut it off when I had to do something since it was welded, not bolted, to the front mount. Do you know what the theory or purpose of that was?
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    Not sure if this was ever confirmed John but I had heard that Charlie is a really tall dude so Dave G. cut the floorpan out where the seats bolt up and lowered them an inch of so. Thus adding that amount of headroom...

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