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    Widebody p body fender interest?

    I will have some time in the next two weeks to get these p body fenders finished and molds done. I had a few of you contact me with interest in these fenders to clear some slicks so I figured I'd throw it out there that I can make these higher priority and pump them out as soon as I can. In addition to the fenders I will have a turbo bulge hood done at the same time so I could make those as well. If there is any interest in either of these either in fiberglass, fiberglass/carbon, or pure carbon start a list and let me know what you'd have interest in. Rough price of a fiberglass hood would be $450 and a pair of fiberglass fenders at $450. I will adjust final pricing upon finishing the product and be no more than the price listed.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Count me for both :
    fiberglass hood,
    fiberglass fenders.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by nvysion View Post
    Count me for both :
    fiberglass hood,
    fiberglass fenders.
    I bet the freight of this will be crazy!! To France!!!
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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    I know this :-)

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    I am interested in the wide-body fiberglass fenders. While I am also interested in a fiberglass hood, I don't think my budget will support both...

    Looking forward to seeing the pictures as you make progress!

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    What process are you using for the CF parts?
    For the hood, 2 piece bonded or 1 piece with core (I guess applies to FG too)?
    What resin?
    What is the total width of the fenders?
    How many plies and what weight/type of CF?

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    everything will be vacuumed and baked. For the hood it will depend on what would be wanted. fiberglass will just be a two piece and can do the same for carbon, or I will be using honeycomb if you're wanting to go as light as possible. I use west system epoxy for all my composites. Carbon is 3k 2x2 twill and be 4 layers. Fiberglass I use 1.5oz chopped strand. I will measure total width when I move the car up front. Sounds like you know a thing or two about composites DJ!

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Thanks for the response.
    I've dabbled but am by no means an expert.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    Thanks for the response.
    I've dabbled but am by no means an expert.
    Awesome! Its fun but can turn into a headache fast! Especially here in the az summers!

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    i would definitely be interested in a hood. I think I threw my back out moving mine today. would it be pin on or still accept the hinges?

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    I would be down for a carbon hood should look good on the csx-t, I would like to see a picture of a finished one first and will it use the stock hinges hood latch? or hood pins required?

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    I will make them hinged still if that's what is wanted. I can do either or.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Any plans to buy a turbo minivan? We need some fancy parts too!
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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by wheming View Post
    Any plans to buy a turbo minivan? We need some fancy parts too!
    I'd love one for sure! What would you be interested in?

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    In order:
    Rear hatch, hood, front fenders.
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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Are you using VARTM or just wet lay-up bagged (I'm guessing you are not using pre-preg simply because you said you use West System epoxy resin)? I understand baking will produce the parts faster, but what are you doing for the cycle, ramp rate, hold time, etc? I honestly don't remember seeing specs for that in the West System literature (it has been many years, however).

    On the glass parts, why only use chopped mat? If you use a cloth material it is stronger and lighter depending on density. I could see using the chopped mat on the first layer to get a nice surface, but I think I would use a different material to back it up as I don't think composite fenders are actually going to save that much weight on a P-body...especially being wider (more material).

    On the CF parts, if you intend to make them "bolt on", are you going to include 'glass insulation plies? I ask because CF can actually increase galvanic corrosion if not insulated. What are you going to bond into the structure for the hinge plates, etc.?

    I don't actually own a P-body anymore, but I'm interested in this because I plan to do it for my own car.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Prepreg is what i'd honestly prefer but it's not cost effective to use since its so pricey. I have my vacuum pump and oven programmed to the rates I use to bake. I use the oven to not only cure it faster but to cure it evenly as well. Unfortunately since autoclaves are way out of my price range I'll stick with my oven! I've built fenders out of cloth and chopped strand and results are typically always the same. I use cloth mostly for the Subaru parts I do but I have a bit of chopped strand to use up and figured these would be perfect candidates. The bolt on carbon hoods will have glass plies to add more material and strength to the bolt points. I have however built them without glass and the steel nut plates I powdercoat before Installation and have never once had any issue with corrosion.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    If you are powder coating them before you install them, then I could see that working as the powder coat *should* provide a level of insulation.

    With regular old wet layup I can understand about being concerned with uneven curing, but using a good epoxy system with VARTM *should* produce good parts without the added complexity of heating in an oven. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just throwing it out there for people who might be wondering.

    Because you have an oven, you *could* use prepreg if you had a source. Of course then you have to consider how to store it, etc. because it needs to be worked with in a certain amount of time. I have also seen how to make your own prepreg. Basically you simply wet out the material on peel ply, bag it, suck out the excess, then freeze the material before it starts to kick off.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    Yeah I use prepreg on a few different parts and it is nice for the most part for sure. But I'm just trying to keep the costs low for these and still have a quality product. I do let some parts air dry and have no issue as well but I use the oven since I have it and it makes the process that much simpler and that much quicker.

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    Re: Widebody p body fender interest?

    This is awesome, glad to have someone in the community finally that has experience and is willing to make FG/CF parts for our small community! It's been talked about previously but never really came to head. I hope this ends well!

    Sounds like you have a lot of experience in making these parts. IMO you should make them the way you originally intended. People will talk about what's best, what they want, etc and keep driving the price up and then never order(not a dig on anyone in particular, JS). Your price seems very reasonable as it stands. If you ever make OMNI parts I'm sure you'd have a few people interested!

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