Direct Connection Cut Away Engine

[ajakeski]

We found this engine locally. Not sure of it's history, but it appears to be a professionally built cut away display of a 1985 2.2 turbo I with a DC Intrcooler kit installed.
Lots of chrome and polished parts. Even the visible lobes of the cam and the valve springs are chrome.

Looking closer it appears to be a non turbo block, because there is no oil return tube or boss for an oil return hole. The numbers are ground away and painted over, so as of yet, I don't know the bloak infor for sure. I haven't taken it apart yet to see what is or isn't inside.

If anyone out there has any knowledge of this engine, I would like to know and to start documenting its history.



Looks like there is an issue with posting the photos. I'll try again later.

[ajakeski]

Since I'm having photo issues, I updated the Great Lakes Hot Rod site and added a page with photos for this project.

http://www.greatlakeshotrod.com/Grea...ay_Engine.html

[ShelGame]

Very cool.

[2.216VTurbo]

It's gonna look great in the GLHR lobby Mont a nice thick sheet of glass over it and it's a helluva coffee table

[Xtrempickup]

Now somebody has the brackets to make some for ppl with kits missing them

[ajakeski]

The right side mounting boss on this intercooler is in a different spot than the intercooler on our car. The support brackets are different too, probably for show.
I'm sure we could come up with some thing. I'll add it to the list of future products.

[iTurbo]

I could really use a set of support brackets for this setup. I'm not much of a fabricator unfortunately.

[ajakeski]

Opened it up yesterday and saw how it's built.

The cam was cut in two and only half chrome plated. Probably to cut costs. There are only two valves, springs lifters and followers. The list goes on.

It does have a chrome plated oil pump...

I haven't been able to find any info to document this engine, but I'm wondering if it might be the engine in the Shelby "Secret base" advertisment only re-dressed as a turbo.
The engine in that ad is a dual carbed 2.2, but comparing the engine in the ad to the engine in my shop, I see a lot of similarities.
Polished head, Chrome doo dads, the same DC logo milled into the valve cover.
My block is not a turbo block, there's no oil return or boss. The intermediate shaft has a cam lobe for a mechanical oil pump.
Once I get it torn down, it'll be interesting to see what markings i can find on the rods.
The one piston I can see is a 1985 turbo piston.


If it's not the same engine, maybe it's wearing some of it's parts.

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[zin]

Makes sense, I wouldn't build a "real" engine simply to display accessories, and I certainly would modify an "old" display to reflect the new stuff, so it's probably the same engine with a different wardrobe.

Don't expect anything but the cheapest, most easily obtained internals, since no one would ever see them, in fact they may not even be there...

I suggest contacting mopar performance, someone by name if you can, to ask about it, they are most likely the source, or at least had it in their booth at SEMA, etc.

Neat to see it and that it's still intact!

Mike

[GLHS60]

The old HotRod 2.2 magazine has a couple of pictures of a cut away engine with a long tube header, possibly the same engine??

Thanks
Randy

[ajakeski]

The old HotRod 2.2 magazine has a couple of pictures of a cut away engine with a long tube header, possibly the same engine??

Thanks
Randy

Any chance you have a copy?

[GLHS60]

Any chance you have a copy?

Sorry for the crappy pictures, hopefully you might see something!!

Thanks
Randy

[ajakeski]

That sure looks like it. The cutouts are in the same spots and are of the same shape and size.
Thanks.

[5DIGITS]

Hopefully this helps.

There were many display engines done during that era that were commonly used within the Autoshow circuit, within Chrysler's technical training facilities, and in the lobbies of local performance shops.
Based on the two iterations of this engine (with and without the DC kit) and the different colors used for the exposure holes, oil passages, coolant passages; I'd suspect that it began as a Chrysler technical training unit.
The tech units, as mentioned above, would typically find their way to the Autoshow to highlight engine design and expose unique features, to the public.
When they became out dated and old news from an engineering perspective, they were shelved to collect dust within the powertrain areas at Highland Park and CTC, in Auburn Hills.
Since this strongly resembles the magazine engine and the DC system was later installed, its quite possible the engine ended up within one of the local race shop lobbies ("Arrow" or "Koffel's Place").
Both shops were closely tied to the Chrysler 2.2 race programs with Arrow primarily supporting Team Shelby and Koffel's providing support to Paul Rossi.

Arrow had two engines in their lobby - the orange blocked performance catalog Turbo-II and dual side-draft weber carburetor engine.
This makes sense because Arrow was connected with Team Shelby and a local company called Competition Graphics.
Competition Graphics was jointly owned and the sister company was Thompson Advertising which published the DC/MP catalogs.

On the other hand, Koffel's had a twin holley carbed unit with the Hooker header and quite possibly this engine, along with two modified V8 display engines.
Koffel's supported Paul Rossi's efforts from the early drag racing days to the later show room stock, Firehawk series Daytona's, and up to the Eagle Talons.
As a side note, Koffel's also supported early Magnum V8 performance part and dyno tuning for the V8 MP calibrations while Arrow took on the Viper V-10.

In any case, this may shed a bit of light on to this engines path but is only based on how the engine was modified, who supported each program, their business associations, and what may make logical sense.

Again, I hope this helps.

[2.216VTurbo]

Another great post with history to it from someone who was there Ken Was it one of those shops or another that did the the NA Masi builds/IMSA GTU Kal Showket stuff?

[5DIGITS]

Another great post with history to it from someone who was there Ken Was it one of those shops or another that did the the NA Masi builds/IMSA GTU Kal Showket stuff?

Thanks Alan.
Some of that earlier 80's stuff, I wasn't connected to from the Chrysler stand point but by working with those involved and all three facilities at various capacities.

It's kinda humorous how it all panned out.. If the Masi stuff was supported by Koffel's Place (which it was) then Arrow supported the T-III program (which they did).
It was a 'Tit for Tat' type of arrangement with an effort on balancing the work load between them.
V-8 here - V-10 there
Masi here - T-III there
Rossi here - Team Shelby there
etc.. etc.. etc.....

In fact, my 1985 Shelby Charger came from Thompson Advertising and was loaded with one-off DC performance crap including a prototype L-body boost gauge.
Its made out of wood and mounted on the steering column - Its disappointing that it never got translated into a fiberglass/molded unit because its perfect for the application.

Back on topic, these old tech engines and 525/555/568 display units can still be found within Chrysler and the transmission units are still displayed to this day in the lab.
Therefore, it appears someone still respects yesterdays technology and the foundation it laid for today's systems.

Thanks again.

[ajakeski]

Great info, Thanks!

I emailed both Arrow and Koffel's. I'll post any info I get from them.

Thanks again.

[5DIGITS]

Great info, Thanks!
I emailed both Arrow and Koffel's. I'll post any info I get from them.
Thanks again.

Heads up -
Arrow was purchased by Power-Tec a while back - not many original employees remain.
Hopefully you'll get something useful/helpful from someone - if you don't, let me know.

[cordes]

Thanks Alan.


Back on topic, these old tech engines and 525/555/568 display units can still be found within Chrysler and the transmission units are still displayed to this day in the lab.
Therefore, it appears someone still respects yesterdays technology and the foundation it laid for today's systems.

Thanks again.

I'm about ready to go Mission Impossible on them for spare parts!

[ajakeski]

Heads up -
Arrow was purchased by Power-Tec a while back - not many original employees remain.
Hopefully you'll get something useful/helpful from someone - if you don't, let me know.

No response from either so far.
I've been swamped at work lately, when things slow down, I'll have to give them a call.