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    TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Is there any way to tell the difference? I recently picked up a Mopar reman head that was done in the late 90s. I don't want to buy new valves if I don't have to, but I also don't want to make the mistake of running TBI valves. AM I stuck replacing them to be sure? If I replace them would it behove me to pick up a set of +1 valves? What about springs? I seem to recall a lot of talk about better springs which weren't breaking the bank, but I haven't followed that.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    If I remember correctly, the turbo exhaust valves have a raised "T" on the face of the valve. (cubustion chamber side)

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    OK, mine don't have that. I'll grab a couple of old turbo valves from the garage and see what they say.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Wasnt there something about a magnet sticking much better to one type than the other?

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by Vigo View Post
    Wasnt there something about a magnet sticking much better to one type than the other?
    Now that's interesting. Probably sticking to the non-turbo valves much better? I have some turbo valves out in my garage which don't seem to have the T and I have some in my basement which do have the T. I'm torn.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    I have some valves with the "T" out of a swirl head that I know came out of a turbo equiped engine. Are the ones you have without the "T" swirl or G head?

    Again, I'm no expert on this subject, just remember the stuff I have laying around and remember hearing turbo valves had that stamp on them.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaboon View Post
    I have some valves with the "T" out of a swirl head that I know came out of a turbo equiped engine. Are the ones you have without the "T" swirl or G head?

    Again, I'm no expert on this subject, just remember the stuff I have laying around and remember hearing turbo valves had that stamp on them.
    That's a good question. I'm pretty sure they're swirl head valves, but it's been a very long time. I don't think I even have any G heads in the house. Of course the turbo car that the valves without it on them had a very rough life so I guess it could have had the head swapped with a non turbo valve head.

    The rebuilt one I have is stamped TS and CD. What does the CD stand for?

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Turbo valves are suppose to be stainless steel so a magnet won't stick to them. I just checked some turbo exhaust valves and a magnet will stick to the stem but not the head.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Off to get my magnet!

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    OK, I'm pretty sure the ones in this head are regular valves. The seats are pulling on the magnet so I'll get something to rotate the cam and get one off the seat first. It's a night and day difference between the intake valves and the turbo exhaust valves on the face of them.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    I pulled a turbo valve and one of these valves. What a difference with the magnet when you pull them out of the head. I'll have a video up shortly.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by A.J. View Post
    Turbo valves are suppose to be stainless steel so a magnet won't stick to them. I just checked some turbo exhaust valves and a magnet will stick to the stem but not the head.
    They are supposed to be inconel, and two piece, so the stem will attract the magnet, but the head won't...

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by zin View Post
    They are supposed to be inconel, and two piece, so the stem will attract the magnet, but the head won't...

    Mike

    PS Some stainless steels are magnetic, but most aren't.
    No way. They used inconel for our valves? If so you'd better believe that I'll be touting that from the rooftops when talking about these motors.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    That's what I've read, makes sense as stainless isn't that great for heat, and new engines aren't something you'd want to warranty.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by zin View Post
    That's what I've read, makes sense as stainless isn't that great for heat, and new engines aren't something you'd want to warranty.

    Mike
    Well, that's pretty awesome!

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    Now what should I do about these springs?

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Hooray, i had a vague notion of a thing that turned out to be correct. My internet expert status: Reconfirmed!

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by Vigo View Post
    Hooray, i had a vague notion of a thing that turned out to be correct. My internet expert status: Reconfirmed!
    Yeah, it works really well. I think it's a pretty neat trick.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    If you need a set of turbo ex valves, I have a set lying around you can have. Springs and all.

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    Re: TBI vs turbo exhaust valves

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    That's a good question. I'm pretty sure they're swirl head valves, but it's been a very long time. I don't think I even have any G heads in the house. Of course the turbo car that the valves without it on them had a very rough life so I guess it could have had the head swapped with a non turbo valve head.

    The rebuilt one I have is stamped TS and CD. What does the CD stand for?
    Moparzrules did the magent trick years ago, it was in the FAQ's which I doubt have been fixed,

    TS is Tapered shroud, kinda like a factory porting job.

    CD is Cross Drilled.

    TBI engines had softer springs, so either test them or buy new ones.

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