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    Re: Knock sensors revisited

    So that just is supported back to one of the bolts on the side of the head?
    I'll have to see how best to adapt a braket with the Lengel upper plenum.
    Thanks for the pic!
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    Re: Knock sensors revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by 5DIGITS View Post
    I'm starting to wonder how the tables and related cal constants are being manipulated.
    It may be helpful to understand the true issue(s), whether it's a calibration problem or a knock light code problem so the effort avoids re-inventing the mouse trap.

    For example, the following table has been reliably used on a T-II with a 'G' head, two-piece intake (with support bracket installed - it matters!!) and slider cam at 22 PSI.

    RPM VOLTS
    992 .350
    1504 .630
    2016 1.590
    2528 3.310
    3040 3.860
    5984 4.000
    Do you have any data for a 2.5 turbo running similar components and boost for comparison purposes?
    Or would you be inclined to think these settings would add safety margin if the only difference was 2.5 vs 2.2?
    Wayne H.

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    Re: Knock sensors revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by wheming View Post
    Do you have any data for a 2.5 turbo running similar components and boost for comparison purposes?
    Or would you be inclined to think these settings would add safety margin if the only difference was 2.5 vs 2.2?
    The 2.5 peak combustion efficiency occurs at lower RPM and the delta knock table will need to reflect that.
    Send me a PM with what your running for a cam, intake, turbo, head, compression, etc...
    If I have a closely resembling cal, I'll pull the table for you.

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    Re: Knock sensors revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by 5DIGITS View Post
    I'm starting to wonder how the tables and related cal constants are being manipulated.
    It may be helpful to understand the true issue(s), whether it's a calibration problem or a knock light code problem so the effort avoids re-inventing the mouse trap.

    For example, the following table has been reliably used on a T-II with a 'G' head, two-piece intake (with support bracket installed - it matters!!) and slider cam at 22 PSI.

    RPM VOLTS
    992 .350
    1504 .630
    2016 1.590
    2528 3.310
    3040 3.860
    5984 4.000
    I put those values into a cal on MP Tune to get a visual of the curve, looks like the noise ramps up quickly until 3k. Not sure what turbo you had but I know the stock turbo hits full song by that point.
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    Re: Knock sensors revisited

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    I put those values into a cal on MP Tune to get a visual of the curve, looks like the noise ramps up quickly until 3k. Not sure what turbo you had but I know the stock turbo hits full song by that point.
    Agreed and good point.
    When the knock signal is free of outlying issues, the curve typically mimics the efficiency curve of the engine for obvious reasons.
    The turbo was a T3/T4 hybrid with a modified Turbonetics/Chrysler turbine housing.
    Last edited by 5DIGITS; 04-12-2015 at 11:08 AM.

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