This is getting really frustrating. New master cylinder (again), bench bled, bled wheels in order, RR, LR, at this point the pedal is getting firmer, RF and the pedal goes to the floor again, LF no help. What on earth could cause this? Why does bleeding the front cause the system to go flat? This is the second time I've been through this; I thought my new master cylinder was bad so I got another one, and same problem.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
I have found that it can help to remove the bleeder screws and let it gravity bleed overnight. Just make sure MC is full and put rags down just in case. Seems to speed things up for me anyway.
You didn't bleed the master properly, see my last post in your other thread.
Also, it has a prop valve and you could have triggered it, its a diagonal split system, so LF/RR are paired and RF/LR paired.
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If I did trigger it, what do I do now? BTW I bled the MC again with the bleeder kit. What's the proper bleeding sequence then? I thought it was RR, LR, RF, LF?Originally Posted by turbovanmanČ
Last edited by John B; 05-18-2013 at 12:56 PM.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
You didn't put calipers on the wrong side did you? I ask because I have done this on my omni once.
Jack the brake pedal. I usually bleed the rear then front, or if you want to follow proceedure, do LR/RF or any combination of pairs.
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I didn't change calipers, this whole thing started when I put new brake shoes on the back.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
Don't follow. Do you mean pump the pedal or lock it in full down position, or?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
Did you replace the wheel cylinders? They could be letting air in!
No, stomp it hard, jack it, like if your hitting it with a big hammer.
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You have to bleed it in the proper sequence. If you don't know the sequence, I have a 91 FSM laying around and can look it up for you. Every car is different, I know on my 92 R/T it is a split system (as turbovanman referred to) but on my 06 Dakota, which I just put front hoses/calipers on, I only had to bleed the front.
Once you get open the brake system and get air in the line, it can take a LOT of pumping of the pedal to get it out. On my Dakota, the pass side front, the line is longer, and it took me a while to get all the air out of that line. You're working on rear brakes, there is a lot of line there. When I did the entire brake system on my 85 Turismo, it felt like it took forever to get the rear brakes bled.
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Most rwd vehicles are front and rear split while fwd are diagonal split.
I've never ever bled brakes in sequence and never had an issue, I know countless others like me lol. As long as you properly bench bleed the mc, use a good bleeding system, you'll have wicked brakes.
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Yeah, new wheel cylinders.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
I've got those for sure! All the way to the floor and zero effect unless I drag my feet...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
Thanks for the offer, but I have the FSM too. It says RR,LR,RF,LF.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
What can I do if I "triggered" the prop valve? Tap on it?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC][FONT=Comic Sans MS]'91 Shadow convertible 2.5 auto, three core RP IC, S60/.48 stg 1, ported two-piece intake/52mm TB, Menegon +1 swirl, 88 turbo cam, Venolias, Crower rods, TU deep sump pan, ported exhaust, 3" from SV to TP, Hughes TC, Peloquin diff, DSS L5 driveshafts, Shelgame cal, Koni struts/shocks. [/FONT]
John, you get in the car and stab the brake pedal REAL fast and HARD. This centers the prop valve thingy internally. Do it a couple times. If memory serves me... I think you can almost hear/feel it happen, too.
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Shouldn't the brake light stay on if the prop. valve trips??
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