The Contraption 2013-14-15-16

[contraption22]

Looks good.

[jcronk23]

Get some!! And so the journey begins :-)

[wheming]

Mike is that the ATP turbo manifold?

[contraption22]

Mike is that the ATP turbo manifold?

Similar in design, Wayne. This one is from Godspeed.

[wheming]

OK. Does it appear to have less angle at the Turbo flange than the ATP one? Or do you figure they are about the same?
Any thoughts on something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-NEON-S...-/110898544668
Of course like most of that stuff you might need to go through and touch up some welds.

I guess with the L body you really need something as compact as possible.

[contraption22]

OK. Does it appear to have less angle at the Turbo flange than the ATP one? Or do you figure they are about the same?
Any thoughts on something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DODGE-NEON-S...-/110898544668
Of course like most of that stuff you might need to go through and touch up some welds.

I guess with the L body you really need something as compact as possible.

JT (BadAssPerformance) is having good luck so far with an OBX branded tubular header of that design. I don't know how it would fit in the Lbody tho. But I know a nice compact cast manifold is good enough for my power goals, so I'll be sticking with that for now. Either this one or the Mexican Stratus manifold. I have both.

[wheming]

But you will be beyond the range of the stock manifold and Turbo options?
I guess with the cost of that GSP manifold, it doesn't make sense to keep the sticker anyway.

I'm following because I really would like to have a hopped up 2.4T one day, but probably in something RWD.

[contraption22]

But you will be beyond the range of the stock manifold and Turbo options?. I guess with the cost of that GSP manifold, it doesn't make sense to keep the sticker anyway.I'm following because I really would like to have a hopped up 2.4T one day, but probably in something RWD

By stock manifold, do you mean the stock type 2.4 Srt/PT turbofold? Yes. Upgrades for those are expensive, and becomming rare. Plus there is a soft ceiling around 300-320hp for stockers. Yes, people have gone beyond that, but at rediculous trouble, only to be stuck with a proprietary turbo configuration with a strange reversed rotation turbocharger for which upgrade parts are hard to find. In fact i read that FM has discontinued their stock-type turbo upgrade offerings because the compressor wheels they were using can no longer be found for a reasonable cost. I have one, and if it ever fails, i guess I will have to go with a conventional turbo and aftermarket manifold.

So I would say if your goals are 300 or less, the stock-type upgrades are viable, especially considering it's a true bolt-on with no fab. That's if you can find one.
Beyond that, it's not cost effective when you have vendors charging $500-900 for modified stock type exhaust manifolds with external wastegates and stuff welded on. It makes no sense to me when you can bolt on a t3/t4 hybrid for less money and get an easy 400+whp.

[Tbird232ci]

Not to mention, most SRT-4 owners report getting better fuel mileage with getting rid of the turbofold and going to a hybrid setup. A lot of guys complained about constantly being in boost on the highway.

[BadFastGTC]

My SRT4 has an E1 from FM in it. Best fuel mileage to date is 35.19, but 60mph is torture. :-)

[Tbird232ci]

Yours doesn't count, it has "Menegon Magic".

[wheming]

Good info!
I did not know that about the turbofold upgrades.
I only briefly looked at upgrades when I first got my PT GT, and found the ATP manifold. Good to see there are even cheaper options.

I already have 3 aging turbocars that parts are getting slim.... I wouldn't want to work myself into a corner with the newer build.

[contraption22]

If money weren't so tight, I would probably opt for the Treadstone manifold. I just love stainless.

[contraption22]

Back to debating engine management. BS3 vs MS3. Making decisions like this is my least favorite part of a project.

[minigts]

I'd like to talk to you about that this weekend if we get a chance. I want to get something besides stock too and I have been thinking of of going with a MS3.

[turbo2point2]

Back to debating engine management. BS3 vs BS3. Making decisions like this is my least favorite part of a project.

Fixed it for you so there is less to think about

[jcronk23]

Fixed it for you so there is less to think about

darn typos....

[contraption22]

Fixed it for you so there is less to think about

Thanks, Brian!.

I need to come up with a pros and cons list. Can you recommend any sites that outline the capabilities of BigStuff?

[turboshad]

Ya, there's allot of BS to go through.

[contraption22]

Info about BigStuff seems to be pretty scarce.

Questions I have about BigStuff:

Can you configure it to run OE style sensors and coils?
Is there any way to add knock feedback?