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    New Roller Sticks

    I will soon have available new performance roller camshafts. These cams are based on the factory rollers. I tracked down the cam manufacturer and had UGL sticks manufactured. I found a cam grinder who has a like mindedness and experience as to what turbo motors seem to prefer. I've been running two initial grinds to see how they behaved on the street and how the perform in day to day driving and I can say I've been very pleased with them. I hadn't been able to go to the track as of yet. My planned trip was detoured last Friday night. These puppies pull to 6800/7000 rather well. They do require a valve spring change. I can supply you with the proper valve spring also. The specs on the cam are both 252 adv. duration intake & exhaust. Duration @ .050" is 216 and 207 I/E respectively. Valve lift is .507" intake and .510" exhaust. Intake lobe centerline is 108.

    The cams do not need any shims. The base circle is the same as the factory roller. The lobes were hardened deep enough so the wear will be essentially zero. Costs for the cams is $325.00 shipped to you. The attached picture is of a used one from testing in my Lancer.

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    I am in for one. I still have the voice mail saved of you reving the motor.

    I am going to move this to the Group Buy section since that is basically what this is.


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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Steve,
    Is $325.00 include the valve springs? Just wanting clarification. If I already have the same springs you use in your big valve head, will I need to change again?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    will these be worth using on a stock head?
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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    The voice mail was a fun thing to do! heh-heh...

    Steve M.



    Quote Originally Posted by Frank
    I am in for one. I still have the voice mail saved of you reving the motor.

    I am going to move this to the Group Buy section since that is basically what this is.


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    Mark,

    I should have been more thorough with my explanation, no, the springs are not included.

    The springs I use have had no problems in Sledgehammer with the cam. I would use a better spring for these, especially if one wishes to up the RPM limits. I would venture to say if you stay under 6500, you should be OK provided the installed height is proper. I will be upgrading the springs in my Lancer after I pull the head. Frank is currently running the proper heavier spring.

    Steve M.


    Quote Originally Posted by show-off
    Steve,
    Is $325.00 include the valve springs? Just wanting clarification. If I already have the same springs you use in your big valve head, will I need to change again?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    I wouldn't.



    Quote Originally Posted by Clay
    will these be worth using on a stock head?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    The voice mail was a fun thing to do! heh-heh...

    Steve M.

    LOL. Oh I fixed your avatar!
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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    They do require a valve spring change. Steve M.
    What springs do you recommend/ sell?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Add me to the list. We'll talk springs for my head when you have a chance (PM me).

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    I will soon have available new performance roller camshafts. These cams are based on the factory rollers. I tracked down the cam manufacturer and had UGL sticks manufactured. I found a cam grinder who has a like mindedness and experience as to what turbo motors seem to prefer. I've been running two initial grinds to see how they behaved on the street and how the perform in day to day driving and I can say I've been very pleased with them. I hadn't been able to go to the track as of yet. My planned trip was detoured last Friday night. These puppies pull to 6800/7000 rather well. They do require a valve spring change. I can supply you with the proper valve spring also. The specs on the cam are both 252 adv. duration intake & exhaust. Duration @ .050" is 216 and 207 I/E respectively. Valve lift is .507" intake and .510" exhaust. Intake lobe centerline is 108.

    The cams do not need any shims. The base circle is the same as the factory roller. The lobes were hardened deep enough so the wear will be essentially zero. Costs for the cams is $325.00 shipped to you. The attached picture is of a used one from testing in my Lancer.

    Steve M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank
    LOL. Oh I fixed your avatar!
    Thanks Frank! I had another shot I from the F-1 race at INDY that I may switch.

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    You'll have the correct spring and the heights will be what they need to be to run the new cam. I'm starting on your head as soon as I get off here!

    Steve M.


    Quote Originally Posted by powermaxx
    Add me to the list. We'll talk springs for my head when you have a chance (PM me).

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by 85glht
    What springs do you recommend/ sell?
    I use a Comp Cams spring. 926-16. The spring is a pretty stout unit. Single spring w/dampner.

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    Quote Originally Posted by Clay
    will these be worth using on a stock head?
    I wouldn't.

    Then what do you recommand to use this cam on? Mildly ported head? Heavily ported? What?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    I'm not politically correct, so please consider that as I answer your question.

    Would I use the cam in a midly ported head with stock diameter valves that flows no air over the stock lift of .430"? No, it is a waste of time in my opinion.

    I would use the cam in a midly ported, properly done & set-up head that was capable of flowing enough air to be beneficial to the user.

    I would use the cam in a "heavily ported" head. See above for explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tryingbe
    Then what do you recommand to use this cam on? Mildly ported head? Heavily ported? What?

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    I use a Comp Cams spring. 926-16. The spring is a pretty stout unit. Single spring w/dampner.

    Steve M.
    Are they similar to Mopar performance's spring #P4876061? That is what I'm running now (had a super 60 cam and it wore out....go figure )

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    The Comp spring has a higher seat and nose pressure. I do not feel your wear issues are from the spring. I noted when my S60 cam began to wear it was the followers beginning to come apart taking out the cam lobes. They were crumbling due to the fact that the lobe shape put so much pressure in a small area of the rocker. That is my assessment and I'm sticking to it!

    Steve M.


    Quote Originally Posted by 85glht
    Are they similar to Mopar performance's spring #P4876061? That is what I'm running now (had a super 60 cam and it wore out....go figure )

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFastGTC
    I'm not politically correct.

    Steve M.
    Oh no Steve, say it ain't so!

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    I'll never be and you can't make me! Heh-heh......

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    Re: New Roller Sticks

    Can you somewhat compare these to any of the previous TAFT offerings? I'm looking for something that is geared towards 4000-7000 rpm ranges, and not worried about rough idle's, some stumbles here and there... that doesn't bother me.

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