Things have been resolved.

[omni_840]

I got my turbo from you in a flatrate box, no problems, comfimation is the way to go

Yeah, I just sent one out via USPS Flat rate with insurance and DC and it was like $18

Let this be a lesson learned omniglh134 that you need to cover your butt

[Omniglh134]

Oh I see, When I provide the needed proof its still my fault? No one else thinks it's weird that he just ignores everything now? or could it possibly be that he got the turbo and pulled this stunt so a turbo could be free for his little "Project". You guys are a bunch of jokes. He is ignoring my messages why? He is ignore this post, why? Because he scammed me bigger than day. Lets see his god damn proof. At least I am willing to work with the jack***.

[omni_840]

I'm not taking sides, I understand your out a turbo. We all are just trying to help you.....You need to protect your interest. In other words if you thought for a second you might get scammed you should have spent a few extra dollars and insured that it was delivered. At this point it's his word vs. yours.

I'm sorry but an undated hand written reciept from the USPS proves nothing, I don't know about your PO, but I get an actual printed reciept for my shipping transactions.

Why message him? It seems like you wanted this issue public so I would make all correspondence public as well.

Again don't take this the wrong I believe all sides are innocent until proven guilty.

Also how long ago did you ship the turbo? Where are you located?

[2.216VTurbo]

Oh I see, When I provide the needed proof its still my fault? No one else thinks it's weird that he just ignores everything now? or could it possibly be that he got the turbo and pulled this stunt so a turbo could be free for his little "Project". You guys are a bunch of jokes. He is ignoring my messages why? He is ignore this post, why? Because he scammed me bigger than day. Lets see his god damn proof. At least I am willing to work with the jack***.

I don't know either you or Dr Occa, So I've been reading along trying to decide which one of you to side with. You just helped me decide, based on nothing tangible mind you You went and got overly defensive and attacked the the TM.com members. That sort of post Kind of lends credibilty to the Dr IMO...

[Rrider]

I'm pretty sure 134 got screwed here. Hopefully I'm wrong and this guy lets us know it turned up. And he pays up.

A one monther with no TM..

[black86glhs]

Oh I see, When I provide the needed proof its still my fault? No one else thinks it's weird that he just ignores everything now? or could it possibly be that he got the turbo and pulled this stunt so a turbo could be free for his little "Project". You guys are a bunch of jokes. He is ignoring my messages why? He is ignore this post, why? Because he scammed me bigger than day. Lets see his god damn proof. At least I am willing to work with the jack***.

Sorry you feel that way. However, go to court with that piece of paper and see what a judge says. That is all I'm saying. It shows nothing but a scribble for a signature and an amount. Otherwise, nothing else. I'm not on his side either.

[Omniglh134]

I am still waiting for your smart*** explanation for him ignoring my messages? My post? I would love to know your reasoning for this.

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And yes I am gonna be defensive. I did everything I was supposed to and the people on this site that are supposed to side with the correct person. Not the one that scammed one of there members out of ALOT of money at this point.

[RoadWarrior222]

Don't forget to search on and under porches, in deck boxes, garbage can caddies, etc etc, in case the delivery guy got "creative" on a wet day. Also go and ask at the local pickup point... I got a "third and final notice" to pick up one time when I had not seen hide nor hair of the supposed first two attempted delivery notices.

[dr.occa]

Sorry Hunter, not ignoring your posts or messages. I just hadn't been back on since my last post on this thread. Surprisingly, I actually do have a life outside of this situation. Anyway, again sorry for the late response. Here are your pm's from yesterday:

10/8/12 1:43PM - Do you have it yet..

Hey I need to know if you don't have it so i can see where it got lost and get it to you and you get me my money.

10/8/12 3:18PM - Brian?

I am just wondering why you apoligized to a brian in the feedback?

10/8/12 3:55PM - You are online,

Give me the info I asked please so you can get your turbo. It's a little late to play the ingoring game.

I obviously didn't notice your pms until this morning so that's my fault. I'm accustomed to having a pop up window notifying me of private messages as I do on other boards.

Anyway, no unfortunately it still hasn't shown up. Your receipt doesn't indicate what was shipped and to where and it also doesn't have any tracking info. It looks brand new and could just as easily be for any other shipment and not necessarily pertaining to our transaction. Would you accept a receipt like that from anyone you were buying an item from that you hadn't received?

I apologized to "Bryan" because he's one of the moderators and I was apologizing to both of you for my assholish behavior.

Again, I wasn't avoiding or ignoring your communiques Hunter. I'm just a busy guy with a bunch of irons in the fire.

I'm not trying to rip you off and at the same time I don't want to be ripped off.

I have just as much of a reason to protect my financial interest as you do. It's not my fault the item I paid you for didn't reach me. It's also not my fault that there's no way to track it to confirm it was shipped to the correct address, let alone shipped. If it was shipped there's no way to tell where it ended up. That's not my fault either Hunter.

If regular retailers can make sure hundreds of items go to the correct customers on a daily basis to maintain a good reputation, then private sellers have no excuse unless they just flat out don't care once they "gets paid".

Remember your pm to me on October 3, 2012 2:28PM

You are right, once that package leaves my hands at the usps I don't give a ---- what happens with it. I know for a fact you have it now. I highly suggest you deposit my money back NOW.

Sounds like you couldn't careless if it was addressed properly or not. It didn't really matter as long as you can say it was "shipped". You know, a tracking number also protects the seller too.

I ship things out to people all over the world. I had one guy tell me twice he still hadn't received an item even after I shipped him a 3rd copy. I had no way of confirming the items last point of delivery. Finally I just fully refunded him his money even with the thought he may have possibly been lying to me all along and now has 3 for the price of 1. I just gave him the benefit of the doubt.

[dr.occa]

...

And yes I am gonna be defensive. I did everything I was supposed to and the people on this site that are supposed to side with the correct person. Not the one that scammed one of there members out of ALOT of money at this point.

So what evidence have you provided that would prove YOU'RE that "correct person"?

The length of time someone has been a member or the number of posts on a message board doesn't guarantee the integrity of an individual. Let's be honest, it's just my word against yours Hunter without verifiable proof of delivery. That "receipt" you posted wouldn't even pass as proof positive in even a small claims court.

Let's do this, you can go to www.86garage.com and register. It's a Texas based message board that I'm an Admin on. Pretty much all of those guys see me, my cars and projects quite regularly. I attend events, local and regional meets. If I had your turbo, I wouldn't be able to use it because you would definitely get wind of it. I couldn't ever post up build threads that it would be used on. In fact, even if I used it I could never lift the hood in fear that someone would snap a shot and post it up on the internets and then I'd be branded a thief. No one would ever give me work and trust me with their cars and parts, and I'd pretty much fall out of good standing with the AE86 and Drift community.

You don't even have to register at 86garage.com. You can just keep an eye on it. You'd even know if I re-sold it too because I usually post things for sale there or on Club4AG.com. Check out Houston-Imports.com too while you're at it. You can even check houston.craigslist.org as well.

No delivery, re-delivery or pick-up slip has shown up in my mailbox either.

[Omniglh134]

You are lying. It says when you are online and your last login. I checked it and everytime I sent a message within 10 minutes you logged back in. There is no covering that up.

[dr.occa]

You are lying. It says when you are online and your last login. I checked it and everytime I sent a message within 10 minutes you logged back in. There is no covering that up.

LOL, suit yourself Hunter. Amazing...okay so that proves what now, that I actually do have the turbo and am hiding it under my shirt or maybe in between my asscheeks? You're just on a witch hunt man.

[Omniglh134]

It proves that you have no excuse for ignoring my messages trying to work this out? I even offered to try to get the turbo back and ship it to the correct address if that is what happened. I have done everything I can. You have done nothing but deny everything. I have had no problems buying or selling Items on here until you. Sounds like your just a good damn scam artist to me.

[dr.occa]

... Sounds like your just a good damn scam artist to me.

The same can be said for you Hunter.

Besides, if I were a scam artist I wouldn't be wasting my time with our "friendly" little back and forth which really isn't helping at all.

Tracking number please.

[Omniglh134]

How can it be said for me? I am out a turbo, money and time? You are out what? oh yeah, nothing. Thank you.

[dr.occa]

How can it be said for me? I am out a turbo, money and time? You are out what? oh yeah, nothing. Thank you.

I don't know what to tell you Hunter. PayPal offers everyone a way of protecting their purchases. Accusing me of stealing all day everyday doesn't make it true. Just because your first experience with me hasn't been a walk in the park doesn't automatically make me the spawn of satan or the evil one himself.

You would definitely have hard evidence if you had a tracking number confirming it was delivered to my door step. Not my neighbors or any random city in Texas but my door step.

I always issue a tracking number of some sort since a similar incident happened to me in the past.

It was YOUR responsibility to get the item in my hands. That would require caring that it made it. I care about stuff I sell to people. Why shouldn't you? Why should you be the exception?

[dr.occa]

You know what this is like:

It's like you just chunked the turbo in my general direction after you HAD the money in your possession. Whether I caught it or not or if it even reached me didn't matter to you. Nice.

Try this, send the item first and have the buyer just haphazardly send the payment without caring if they spelled your email address correctly or claim they sent payment when they didn't. Familiar scenario just in the other direction right?

[butchsuppe]

I don't know either you or Dr Occa, So I've been reading along trying to decide which one of you to side with. You just helped me decide, based on nothing tangible mind you You went and got overly defensive and attacked the the TM.com members. That sort of post Kind of lends credibilty to the Dr IMO...

I have to agree with Alan, Dr Occa can offer more evidence that he's a stand up guys by posting up links to people that know him and actually see his stuff in person. 134 has yet been able to prove he shipped the turbo but claims he knows DrOcca got it ? How could he do that without a tracking #. All this seems to me is that 134 didn't cover his butt by NOT paying for a tracking # and not admitting his mistake. I personally wouldn't ruin my reputation over a $90 trans action on a public forum because I didn't ship it without covering my butt. My conclusion is... it's lost in the mail and both parties are SOL.

[dwh4784]

I have to agree with Alan, Dr Occa can offer more evidence that he's a stand up guys by posting up links to people that know him and actually see his stuff in person. 134 has yet been able to prove he shipped the turbo but claims he knows DrOcca got it ? How could he do that without a tracking #. All this seems to me is that 134 didn't cover his butt by NOT paying for a tracking # and not admitting his mistake. I personally wouldn't ruin my reputation over a $90 trans action on a public forum because I didn't ship it without covering my butt. My conclusion is... it's lost in the mail and both parties are SOL.

Winner. Although the seller is clearly the more SOL of the duo.

And I'm not taking sides 134. I'm in the business of shipping/receiving and the burden of proof is always on the seller. You cannot provide sufficient proof that you shipped a package to occa and that he received it. So he owes you nothing. It sucks but that's the way it is.

[dr.occa]

The wife just texted me and well, look what just showed up:




Notice the label is from the USPS RECOVERY CENTER.

The turbo:


I've already closed the dispute in paypal.

I'll take a look at everything when I get home but it looks like everything has been straightened out.