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[Khajjathefang]

The frs could be a really cool car, after someone tosses the flat four and stuffs a 13b-t in there

[moparman76_69]

Tell me your joking.....

Let's leave autocross out of this, although cheap fun, it's not really racing.

I don't recall Carroll Shelby ever winning the Autocross Championship of LeMans back in 1959.

Can you name me one famous Autocross Champion, didn't think so.

Autocross track setup can even out the playing field between hi HP cars and momentum cars. Miata's can walk a corvette but is that really a good comparison of car setup and tracking ability?

Let's talk about road racing where you actually need at least 3 dimensions. HP for the straights, a vehicle that turns and a vehicle that stops.

Maybe he'd "walk" your car on the road race course because you race straight line, but please don't speak for others who set there cars up for road racing.

There is NO CHANCE a prepped Turbo Mopar track car with a professional driver would ever lose to a stock BRZ with a professional driver.

Try telling that to the SCCA racers back in the 80's.



Yes, it ran 54.xx and got beat by 2 stock Miata's. He also got beat by a Mini Cooper S, a 1998 Dodge Neon and an SRT4.

He did clip Barry by about .01 seconds but I'd say Mini Me and the BRZ were about even on that particular track setup. Give Mini-Me room to stretch its legs and Barry takes him.

But again, THIS IS AUTOCROSS, where momentum cars do well and NOT ROAD RACING.

50mph tops through turns, don't need a track monster to compete in those events. Just a car that revs high, keeps its momentum and is good through the turns which the BRZ and the Miata are.

So yes, they have a cool looking 30k autocross car on there hands, no doubt about it.

Give it 300+ HP for 30k then I'm interested!

All hail the BRZ, can't even beat a V6 Mustang around the track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD3hgleEOXA

It's only a matter of time before the BRZ gets a hi hp engine, then it will get my attention but in the meantime, it's just a miata with a hardtop.

Guess that means bracket drags aren't real racing since the playing field is leveled? Also I'm sure the hundreds of people that autocross enjoy their non-racing. As stated already, stock vs stock the toyaburu will walk all over any TD. I would sure hope any track prepped car would walk a stock anything. But then again I don't know ---- since I've never "really raced" according to you.

Did I hurt your ego?

Nope not at all. Just proving my point with sound reasoning. Haven't heard much in the way of fact on your end.

How much road track experience do you have since u know so much about the brz and its road track abilities.

Ever road tracked your omni?

Sounds like you have some experience, please share. Waiting......

Really? Last I checked internet forums weren't dick measuring contests.

[contraption22]

There is NO CHANCE a prepped Turbo Mopar track car with a professional driver would ever lose to a stock BRZ with a professional driver.

If there is one thing we have leaned this week, that a prepped "anything" can beat a stock "anything" in one event or another.

We've both seen a prepped Jeep Cherokee that can outrun most, if not all, stock turbo mopars.

It's only a matter of time before the BRZ gets a hi hp engine, then it will get my attention but in the meantime, it's just a miata with a hardtop.

I think Subie and Toyota would be happy if their cars became the success the Miata has been.

[Rrider]

A miata with a hardtop.. people have been saying something like that would sell like hotcakes for years. Check the used prices for the removable hard tops for miata and s2000! I don't think they even need to offer a high power motor to make good sales.

[contraption22]

A miata with a hardtop.. people have been saying something like that would sell like hotcakes for years. Check the used prices for the removable hard tops for miata and s2000! I don't think they even need to offer a high power motor to make good sales.

I'm thinking of the Pontiac Solstice Coupe, The Porche Caymann. Heck even the old Dodge Razor concept. All pretty cool little cars.

[RoadWarrior222]

You know what I like about Miatas, mostly 1st gen Miatas... the looks on their drivers faces when they've got this mini "family truckster" wagon stuck to their arse and can't get rid of it.... ... later ones tend to creep away a bit... modded ones will just be gone of course.

[Khajjathefang]

I'm thinking of the Pontiac Solstice Coupe, The Porche Caymann. Heck even the old Dodge Razor concept. All pretty cool little cars.

That were all highly unpopular

[contraption22]

That were all highly unpopular

True dat. I still think they're cool. I'd argue that the Cayman is the best looking Porsche ever made.

[black86glhs]

HOLY SHITE!!! A 2014 car can out do a 20+ year old mopar. Really? That is the "well, it can beat your car" answer to the BRZ argument.
I like autocross, but it is a slow way of racing for broke a$$ people. Oh and if your the one Heffner that likes to throw his money around autocross tracks, congrats, but most people don't have the $$$$. Yes, I have done it.....it is slow. Not saying it isn't fun, but it does not compare to going across the back straight at 120+. Sorry to those who might be butt hurt by that.

[Khajjathefang]

True dat. I still think they're cool. I'd argue that the Cayman is the best looking Porsche ever made.

I agree, its also a better platform but try telling that to the center of gravity behind the rear axle crowd

[Rrider]

A jerk in a brz is a jerk, but from the original post I'm still not sure the guy was even a jerk at all. Where is this hate coming from? A jerk in a dodge is also just a jerk... car doesn't change that.

As far as power goes.. you can have fun on full circuits with half the power the brz has got. I have. And whats wrong with getting your kicks at solo or trackdays?

[Khajjathefang]

I'll tell you what, you take any (and I mean ANY) of these older turbo dodges and put it up against a basically stock BR-Z FR-S around a track, not a drag strip, and it will walk all over you, and possibly lap some of you, with someone who can drive. They weren't designed with straight line speed in mind when they made them, they were designed to turn. If you don't believe me, there was a thread on here, I think it was here, about the last sdac event and there was a stock br-z that had better lap times than the fastest turbo mopar on the track.

Tt You really need to drive one of these cars to understand what they were made for. You don't need a ton of power to walk faster cars on an actual track, when u know how to drive.

You say any? I'm picking csracers one lap Daytona :P

Went 2:11.321 at vir in 07'

In comparison we have scca pro mike skeen doing 80 laps in a new stock fr-s. Best of 2:24.83

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A jerk in a brz is a jerk, but from the original post I'm still not sure the guy was even a jerk at all. Where is this hate coming from? A jerk in a dodge is also just a jerk... car doesn't change that.

As far as power goes.. you can have fun on full circuits with half the power the brz has got. I have. And whats wrong with getting your kicks at solo or trackdays?

He was a jerk for occupying multiple spots

[Rrider]

Ah ok gotcha. Agree on the Cayman btw. Looks great and handles well. Bump steers like a mofo tho.

[RoadWarrior222]

You know, I think I'd still take a Genesis Coupe over that, $28,900 gets the R-spec 2.0T 274 horsies, 275ftlb for 2013.... it's 500lb heavier, but the extra horsies should compensate.

Though since I have winter, and like FWD, I could save $3,000 and take the Veloster Turbo... which would probably run it close, given a HP a tad higher, and 195ftlb that goes right across the middle of the rev range (mid 1000s to mid 4000s) ... in the sameish weight.

[Khajjathefang]

You know, I think I'd still take a Genesis Coupe over that, $28,900 gets the R-spec 2.0T 274 horsies, 275ftlb for 2013.... it's 500lb heavier, but the extra horsies should compensate.

Though since I have winter, and like FWD, I could save $3,000 and take the Veloster Turbo... which would probably run it close, given a HP a tad higher, and 195ftlb that goes right across the middle of the rev range (mid 1000s to mid 4000s) ... in the sameish weight.

Gen coupe with a csrt crank and the evo head would rule

[contraption22]

Gen coupe with a csrt crank and the evo head would rule

Or an LS7 swap...

[Rrider]

You'd be surprised what kind of compression ratio you can get away with...

Mazda is going to 13:1 here and 14:1 abroad!
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/sky...kyactiv-g.html

[roachjuice]

Or an LS7 swap...

when in doubt, LSX is the answer.

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btw i like REAL bacon. not that pu**y turkey bacon sh!t.

[contraption22]

Mazda is going to 13:1 here and 14:1 abroad!
http://www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/sky...kyactiv-g.html

But not with boost.

[contraption22]

btw i like REAL bacon. not that pu**y turkey bacon sh!t.

What's that made from?