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    Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    For about a month roughly My truck seamed to be down on power (running at what would feel like stock levels) and i was losing 5mpg NO codes and and boost was the same 24-28 psi . and the sensor data looked OK . Then yesterday morning when towing my 5ft wheel pulling a long steep grade half way up it was like some flipped a switch and the stump pulling power was there again and my Mpg came back .

    Has anyone had something like this happen to there truck and found some thing as a cause.

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    clogged something or other?

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    This one is easy, I have myself to blame, I rush things, don't pay attention to gauges when I should, change to much stuff at once then expect miracles, the list is endless.

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    only thing I coul think of that wouldnt change any sensor data or boost might be a bad stator in the torque converter not giving you the ~2:1 torque multiplication that it should.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by shackwrrr View Post
    only thing I coul think of that wouldnt change any sensor data or boost might be a bad stator in the torque converter not giving you the ~2:1 torque multiplication that it should.
    that would hold true to me too but it was there in lock up to.

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Maybe you need new spark plugs.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    What kind of lift pump do you have on it?

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    clogged something or other?
    Yeah sounds a bit like gummy/dirty injectors, get it hot, work it hard and it cleaned up.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilancer View Post
    What kind of lift pump do you have on it?
    factory in tank

    ---------- Post added at 08:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:02 PM ----------

    But wouldn't a faulty lift pump give hard starting which i didn't have?

    Im doubting dirty injectors as getting even one out of wack would set a imbalace code and power was still smooth form idle to redline pluss no smoking ever.

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Unless it was some varnishy/waxy fuel that built up a coat in them more or less evenly... as opposed to a lump or grit.
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by RoadWarrior222 View Post
    Unless it was some varnishy/waxy fuel that built up a coat in them more or less evenly... as opposed to a lump or grit.
    but like i said it was like a flick of the switch the power came back not 1 cylinder at a time.

    and i notice on the hiway the exhuast is a lot quieter then normal now . ( have 4" turbo to tail no mufflers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    but like i said it was like a flick of the switch the power came back not 1 cylinder at a time.

    and i notice on the hiway the exhuast is a lot quieter then normal now . ( have 4" turbo to tail no mufflers)
    hanging wastegate. When extra turbo lag always feels like an overall power loss to me even though up top it still has the same amount of boost.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by shackwrrr View Post
    hanging waste gate. When extra turbo lag always feels like an overall power loss to me even though up top it still has the same amount of boost.
    Hmmmmmmmm

    but if i was Pulling 22psi full throttle and was running out of steam pulling the 5th up step grade having to find 2nd

    now im pulling 18-22 same grade and weight and now half throttle 4th gear

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Hmm, well Im trying to think of stuff that would make it louder and wastegate is the big one. Less fuel might make it louder but Im not sure.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Fuel injection timing ??? the banks 6 gun plugs in between the crank and cam sensor.

    ---------- Post added at 09:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:57 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by shackwrrr View Post
    Hmm, well Im trying to think of stuff that would make it louder and waste gate is the big one. Less fuel might make it louder but Im not sure.
    no i agree with you

    i just add for those who don't know my set up
    1. Banks 6 with pda
    2. cold air intake
    3. 4" dyno max turbo back (no mufflers)
    4 grainer valve set to 35 psi ( but has been removed just at the begging of this problem back to stock)
    5 and my Cold air rad guards remove for summer
    Last edited by bakes; 05-15-2011 at 11:43 AM.

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    Fuel injection timing ??? the banks 5 gun plugs in betweeten the crank and cam sensor.

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    no i agree with you
    Could it be that the banks wasn't working right for a while? Like it wasn't getting a good connection somewhere?
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Maybe you had it on the "slow mofo" setting.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by boost geek View Post
    Maybe you had it on the "slow mofo" setting.
    i usually run on setting 5 and only use level 6 or speed loader for when im feelling knotty

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Maybe you blew out the taters someone rammed in yer pipes.
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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    factory in tank

    ---------- Post added at 08:08 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:02 PM ----------

    But wouldn't a faulty lift pump give hard starting which i didn't have?

    Im doubting dirty injectors as getting even one out of wack would set a imbalace code and power was still smooth form idle to redline pluss no smoking ever.
    A lift pump won't always cause hard starting, it doesn't take much fuel for it to start up and idle, as opposed to hauling a load with a programmer turned up, fuel demand is high then. To put it bluntly, the factory lift pumps were garbage to say the least.
    I would STRONGLY suggest you look into adding an aftermarket pump such as an Airdog or a FASS. The 2 benefits are: 1- You know you arent going to starve the pump of fuel. 2- The added filtration they have is IMO a MUST on a common rail. The factory Dodge fuel filter is inadequate, and with the high injection pressures they run, any particle of foreign material or water will damage the tip of the injector.

    I would also rule out an injector problem. If you say it starts and runs nice other than the lower than usual power output then they are more than likely ok. You know it when a common rail has an injector problem, they will smoke and idle rough as hell on a startup, your wallet will also know when you have to go to replace them!

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    Re: Was losing power and now it's ok, i'm confused

    Quote Originally Posted by Evilancer View Post
    A lift pump won't always cause hard starting, it doesn't take much fuel for it to start up and idle, as opposed to hauling a load with a programmer turned up, fuel demand is high then. To put it bluntly, the factory lift pumps were garbage to say the least.
    I would STRONGLY suggest you look into adding an aftermarket pump such as an Airdog or a FASS. The 2 benefits are: 1- You know you aren't going to starve the pump of fuel. 2- The added filtration they have is IMO a MUST on a common rail. The factory Dodge fuel filter is inadequate, and with the high injection pressures they run, any particle of foreign material or water will damage the tip of the injector.

    I would also rule out an injector problem. If you say it starts and runs nice other than the lower than usual power output then they are more than likely OK. You know it when a common rail has an injector problem, they will smoke and idle rough as hell on a startup, your wallet will also know when you have to go to replace them!

    Jon
    I agree on the injectors not the problem . As for the lift pump i thought the in tank was a better of the two factory pumps(im not say i have a problem with this pump) . i remember when i worked in the dealership i changed a couple of trucks on a TSB to the in tank pump .

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