2.0 sohc swap.

[thedon809]

Alright. I have a 90 daytona 2.5 tbi auto that I'm trying to sell. If I can't get rid of it, I also have my DD 98 neon sohc 5 speed. The daytona has a knock and a poopoo auto. The neon has a great engine that burns no oil and a good t350 that doesn't grind, but the body is rotting away. See where I'm going here? I would have a budget of about a grand. Here are the questions.
The pass side mount should bolt right up, correct? Daytona has the later style mount.
What about the tranny mount? Has anyone put a t350 in a TD?
TD pedal assembly or neon?
Neon axles work?
Isn't the neon fuel pump the same/similar?
I would want to swap the entire engine wiring harness and pcm along with the cluster. The neon has working a/c and p/s so I would like to get those working as well.
Any thoughts, suggestions?

[RoadWarrior222]

Won't be all the same, but try looking up SRT-4 swaps for some clues and hybrid head swaps for others (like how to make neon head work in a TM)

[cordes]

For a grand just buy a Neon R/T, combine your parts and be done with it.

[thedon809]

I can't find any decent ones around here. Already tried.

[Vigo]

Personally i think this swap will require a lot of effort for fairly bad results. Unless you are ok with ending up with a motor-swapped 16 second car. I did have a sohc/5spd stratus for a short time that was fairly peppy, but those came with the 3.92 trans.

But on the bright side, once you get a running 2.0 SOHC in there you're like 90% of the way to having a 2.4 DOHC running in there, so thats good.

The first thing that comes to mind for me is how do you manage the hydraulic clutch?

[cordes]

Personally i think this swap will require a lot of effort for fairly bad results. Unless you are ok with ending up with a motor-swapped 16 second car. I did have a sohc/5spd stratus for a short time that was fairly peppy, but those came with the 3.92 trans.

But on the bright side, once you get a running 2.0 SOHC in there you're like 90% of the way to having a 2.4 DOHC running in there, so thats good.

The first thing that comes to mind for me is how do you manage the hydraulic clutch?

I thought all of the T350s were cable actuated?

[rbryant]

I thought all of the T350s were cable actuated?

1G Neons were cable, 2G were hydraulic. The bellhousings can be swapped.

-Rich

[Dodge Aries K]

2000 m/y 2nd gens were still cable clutch.

[Vigo]

Silly me, i keep forgetting.

I thought all of the T350s were cable actuated?

Well, not ALL. I just forgot which ones. afaik all the dsm t350s were hydraulic back to 95. The stratus i owned was cable so i guess all 1g cloud cars were cable.

[chryguy]

Hub side of the axles are different.

Neon is an inch. 1.0

TM is about .012 larger on the hub side. If you set them side by side it's easy to see the Neon axle stub is smaller.
So approximately 1.012

Trans side looks to be the same between the two axles.
About .007-8 larger than an inch or 1.0075

So, your TM axles should plug into the Neon trans...

I can post pictures if wanted...I can also compare axle lengths for the un-equal length axles if you want.

CG

[thedon809]

Personally i think this swap will require a lot of effort for fairly bad results. Unless you are ok with ending up with a motor-swapped 16 second car. I did have a sohc/5spd stratus for a short time that was fairly peppy, but those came with the 3.92 trans.

But on the bright side, once you get a running 2.0 SOHC in there you're like 90% of the way to having a 2.4 DOHC running in there, so thats good.

The first thing that comes to mind for me is how do you manage the hydraulic clutch?

The goal of this setup would be MPG and good reliability once all the kinks are ironed out. Bingo on a 2.4 being easy peasy if I come across one cheap.

[Vigo]

Saw the pics in the for sale thread. Car looks pretty good.. you can piece a decent interior together. I like the swap idea better now that ive seen the car. Cant really explain that. lol.

[ShelGame]

Fuel systems are different. Neon used a returnless fuel system. The pump, regulator, filter, etc are in the tank. So, you'll have to modify the Neon fuel rail to have a return; or modify the fuel tank in the Daytona to use the Neon fuel pump module.

[RoadWarrior222]

Yah, depends which way you're going here, complete neon electronics transplant or running the motor with a dizzy adapter and a modded TM cal.

Don't know if you could do something like adapt a late 'tona dash to work with the neon stuff or nor, or whether you'll have to kludge that in too.

[thedon809]

I'm thinking swap everything. Engine harness, interior harness, cluster.

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I just looked at the neons cluster and compared it to the Daytona. It looks smaller so it should fit in there.

[shadow88]

In my opinion, A neon will net you better mpg based on a significant weight difference. Though you have a rusty one with a decent powerplant, I would look to find another neon of similar year that needs a drivetrain. As said earlier, it's lots of work to do all that stuff to a daytona with the intensions of better mpgs

[cordes]

In my opinion, A neon will net you better mpg based on a significant weight difference. Though you have a rusty one with a decent powerplant, I would look to find another neon of similar year that needs a drivetrain. As said earlier, it's lots of work to do all that stuff to a daytona with the intensions of better mpgs

My 2.2 TII daytona got 36mpgs with just the cat removed. My Neon SOHC ATX coupe with L body transfer gears gets 37-38MPGs. I wonder if the 2.0 would have the torque to get better MPGs at all in a Daytona? I know the 2.5 turbo can get over 40mpgs on the freeway in a 2700lb. car with the right tires and trans.

[thedon809]

I dont think a base model daytona weighs that much more than a 1g neon. I'm guessing within 200lbs. A 2.0 5spd in a Daytona should get much better mpg than a 2.5 TBI auto.

[cordes]

I dont think a base model daytona weighs that much more than a 1g neon. I'm guessing within 200lbs. A 2.0 5spd in a Daytona should get much better mpg than a 2.5 TBI auto.

IIRC my neon weighs 2450. I'm willing to bet even a stripper Daytona is more than 2650.

[Mopar318]

2000 m/y 2nd gens were still cable clutch.

Dont reviel my secrets!

2000 also uses the heavy duty gearset/input shaft and stronger case. Its rated for a whopping 150 ft lbs.