I pulled my cyl head for a 1995 aclaim or sprit cant rember but it was the metal gasket on a 782 head N/A.
I pulled my cyl head for a 1995 aclaim or sprit cant rember but it was the metal gasket on a 782 head N/A.
There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.
Randy Hicks
86 GLHS60
86 GLHS 373 : SOLD, but never forgotten
89 Turbo Minivan
83 Turbo Rampage : SOLD
Edmonton,Alberta,Canada
There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.
Randy Hicks
86 GLHS60
86 GLHS 373 : SOLD, but never forgotten
89 Turbo Minivan
83 Turbo Rampage : SOLD
Edmonton,Alberta,Canada
if you want a reusable gasket, just purchase the copper one off of ebay.
I have been running it for years and have purchased a few, also got a couple guys in town running them! it will pay for itself in no time....
Only thing I'd be nervous about with copper, is it hardening up, no problem during use, but there's a slight chance it won't seal too well at the next reinstall.... but it's very easy to fix by throwing it on the BBQ or something every time you reuse it just as a precaution.
DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!
There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.
Randy Hicks
86 GLHS60
86 GLHS 373 : SOLD, but never forgotten
89 Turbo Minivan
83 Turbo Rampage : SOLD
Edmonton,Alberta,Canada
1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info
1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info
There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.
Randy Hicks
86 GLHS60
86 GLHS 373 : SOLD, but never forgotten
89 Turbo Minivan
83 Turbo Rampage : SOLD
Edmonton,Alberta,Canada
What a thing to ask, with his luck he probably managed to get shrapnel damage to his house using it as a doorstop.
DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!
The Pope has my 655 head right now. you might be eating your words when i get it back...
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simon has never run a 655 head just like everyone else on this board. opinions were formed a long time ago even though the Pope has real world experience with this head on the flow bench.
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you have to keep in mind that turbo-mopar is the board for " if it aint a TIII its crap" crowd so you have to take pretty much anything said on here about the early 8 valve heads with a shovel full of salt.
Yeah, I know all about the Popesters views on what a good flowing head is. Here is one example of his "real" world experience. I flowed one of Ed Peters max effort g-heads (not a 655 but rather a 445/287) many years ago. Here are the #'s. Intake at .400-.550 lift was 161-165. Exhaust at same lift was 117.4-131.8. This was max effort ported stock valve sized head. I didn't own the head, and after seeing the #'s, glad I didn't. I suggested to the guy that did own it, sell it and start over. Well the Popester got his hands on it (think Jay actually bought it) and raved what an awesome low lift flowing head it was. Hehe. I then made this guy two heads. One swirl and one g-head for two different motors. My exhaust #'s on both heads were higher than the Peter's intake #'s! Intake #'s were around 35 CFM higher @ .500 lift.
This tells me the Popester doesn't know (or didn't know) what a good flowing 8V head is. Many of us on this board cut our teeth on and continue to own 8V vehicles. I've ported & flow benched dozens of 8V heads so I do know what I'm talking about. Many others on this board also know all about 8V heads, while others expertise is in Lotus, Masi, or late model 2.0/2.4 motors. We are hardly all pro TIII here, we actually make fun of the TIII durability issues, the Masi's incredible expense, and the never ending mods the Neon guys do to their vehicles.
The 655 has an inferior exhaust port. That is not an opinion but a fact. IMO, the only reason it flows what it does in stock form is because it has larger volume ports than the other 8V heads. All it is is a poor man's ported head. It can easily be surpassed by a swirl or 455/287 head in the hands of the right person porting without much effort.
Have you ever thought if the 655 head is so great, why aren't all the fast 8V guys running them? IMO, I'm afraid your putting your hard earned money into porting the wrong cylinder head. However, let us know when you get that 655 exhaust port to flow mid 160's to mid 170's @.500 lift and after verifying that on the flow bench I use, I'll be the first to eat my words and say the 655 is at least a good flowing 8V head, and the Pope really lives up to his username. Until then I'll let the flow #'s speak for themselves. Check out this cut-away of the 655 head. Look carefully at the exhaust port. If it is superior, why did they stop using it?
Good luck with your cylinder head build.
Todd
well lets see, things like big ports and high flow volume arent the kind of traits you want on a cylinder head that has to pass things like emissions tests. the ports on the 8v head got ever more restrictive as time went on for just that reason, and evolved to the swirl head- thats a known fact.
i still dont understand how you're comparing a 287/445 head to a 655 to assume the 655 is crap. have you actually flowed a 655? if you're just going off the half cut pics and not actual flow data of THAT casting you're just assuming, and we all know assumption is the mother of all ---- ups.
again i have to say if you dont have experience with that casting # then you're just assuming and everything you say in relation to it is heresay.
i might be eating my words, you might be eating yours, we'll see. if it ends up sucking then i'll pull all the parts out of it and do a different head, chalk it up to a learning experience. we should know something by the end of the summer, i'll post the end results when its finished.
My point with the Peters 445/287 head is that Rob wouldn't know a good flowing head if it bit him. At least this was the case many years ago. The emissions hogwash is just more Pope logic that has become fact on TD. The cylinder head changes that occured year to year is called evolution. Almost every aspect of the 2.2/2.5 vehicles evolved into something better than the previous version. This ranges from transmissions, blocks, cylinder heads, suspension, electrical, engine management, exhaust, etc. You name it, the later model stuff is for the most part better. So go ahead and use your mid/late 70's technology on your vehicle and see where it takes you. BTW I have flowed a 655 head. That is why I know they are hardly the Holy Grail of cylinder heads.
Todd
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1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info
So I guess the general concensus is to have the Pope port it for me if he is not too busy.
Thanks
Randy
There is no logical reason to call an Engine a motor.
Randy Hicks
86 GLHS60
86 GLHS 373 : SOLD, but never forgotten
89 Turbo Minivan
83 Turbo Rampage : SOLD
Edmonton,Alberta,Canada
1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info