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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Yeah if you have a 3-bar map the DRB map-related readings will be useless.
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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    your are not running a Cat are you?

    do a leak down test i had bad Ex. valves / seat screw me around like this 4 years ago

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    your are not running a Cat are you?

    do a leak down test i had bad Ex. valves / seat screw me around like this 4 years ago

    No cat.
    Leak down? Only have 3500 km on the build. I hope nothing is srewed up. I'll do that tomorrow too.
    Cant' see why it would run lean, but ...?
    It all started with a f.....ing vacuum hose that popped off the the intake manifold!!!!!!!!

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Maybe the fpr isn't increasing the pressure with boost?
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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    Maybe the fpr isn't increasing the pressure with boost?
    One of the first things I checked. It follows the boost for every pound. ( see post #10)

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Changed the fuel filter...... no change?!?!!!!!

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Did you continue to run it hard after the line popped off? Maybe you burned the exhaust valves or something.
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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    No, when it popped off the car sputtered like crazy and I limped back at 20 mph to the pits and popped it back on and the car's idle dropped let it run to cool off and shut it.
    I started looking at it again this morning went for a joy ride and decided to go gaz it up since it was empty, and now it missfires at 15 lbs.( i didn't even stop the car!) Hope it's just bad gas, but then again it usaully pings! Maybe a bad coil or something. Will empty the tank, refuel and see, then change coil and see, and then ..... .
    Wanted to do a leak down, 3 kids to tend too will return to it later.

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Well found my prob,adj cam gear backing it self 2 mark - set it back and car runs like a champ.hope you find the prob or maybe this helps either way gl.

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    That's great,
    checked that at the beginning (post #7). I will go back and check again and everything else as well.
    Thanks

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    Did you continue to run it hard after the line popped off? Maybe you burned the exhaust valves or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    your are not running a Cat are you?

    do a leak down test i had bad Ex. valves / seat screw me around like this 4 years ago
    Did leak down #1: 2%, #2: 2%, #3: 4%, #4: 5%. Pressure used 100 psi for test.

    Quote Originally Posted by ol"blue View Post
    Well found my prob,adj cam gear backing it self 2 mark - set it back and car runs like a champ.hope you find the prob or maybe this helps either way gl.
    Double checked.

    Will continue. Eventually I will get it. Got 2 months before SDAC!!!!

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Maybe an intake gasket leak?
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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    also if you Wb sensor is in th down pipe check for any air leaks into the exaust post turbo.

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    What's the compression?

    Did you replace the fuel filter yet? You keep saying you will but never do,

    I damaged my motor blowing off a vacuum line, leaned out and I pinged it,
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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    also if you Wb sensor is in th down pipe check for any air leaks into the exaust post turbo.
    That's an idea. Car does not sound like it used to. Maybe I'm paranoid

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    What's the compression?

    Did you replace the fuel filter yet? You keep saying you will but never do,

    I damaged my motor blowing off a vacuum line, leaned out and I pinged it,
    Didn't take compression. My gauge is broken. Will have to get a new one. Did the leakdown instead.
    For the filter.... post 46
    I sure hope I didn't hurt it, put to much money into it.


    I closed the gaps on the plugs to see if that would change the missfiring issue (.030). No change. Just an extra test before dumping the fuel and changing the coil.
    Car runs good until 15 psi and then still missfures.

    Will report back. Pretty busy for next few days but i will try to put in a little work.

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by spiro440 View Post
    That's an idea. Car does not sound like it used to. Maybe I'm paranoid



    Didn't take compression. My gauge is broken. Will have to get a new one. Did the leakdown instead.
    For the filter.... post 46
    I sure hope I didn't hurt it, put to much money into it.


    I closed the gaps on the plugs to see if that would change the missfiring issue (.030). No change. Just an extra test before dumping the fuel and changing the coil.
    Car runs good until 15 psi and then still missfures.

    Will report back. Pretty busy for next few days but i will try to put in a little work.
    i did have couple oil filled coil giving out on me before , and they do missfire after 3000 rpm , i went with a later coil after that and never had a problem after that

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    No progress!
    Dumped all the fuel and changed the coil........ still missfires.
    Will change the Hep tomorrow.

    So far did:
    Checked fuel pressure
    Checked fuel pressure rise with boost
    Checked fuel pump (flow and pressure)
    Checked baro. for leaks
    Changed MAP
    Changed TPS and verified 100% signal at full throttle
    Changed fuel filter
    Checked all vacuum lines
    Checked timing
    Checked cam timing
    Checked adj. cam if slipped
    Did a leak down test

    Once all this was done I decided to turn up the fuel pressure to not run lean and figure it out before I get a faillure. Once figured out I guess it would run rich. (Safer)

    Fueled the car up and now it missfires,
    Changed fuel
    Changed coil
    Reduced spark plug gap

    Any other Ideas I maybe missed?

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Did you say you verified computer was fine? How about putting in a Stage II cal and a 2 bar map, grainger it up to 18 psi and see how she runs?

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Quote Originally Posted by 168glhs1986 View Post
    Did you say you verified computer was fine? How about putting in a Stage II cal and a 2 bar map, grainger it up to 18 psi and see how she runs?
    I have a s60 around. I had put it in to compare values of the sensors but did not take it for a run. I will do the swap and run it at 14 to see what gives??? and then 18.
    I have nothing to loose.
    I will put the new HEP first and then the s60 and report back.

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    Re: running lean fwdp stage 5

    Maybe I missed it but when did it start misfiring?
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