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    Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Not sure why I started it. Working on the new rear windshield (install not going to hot at the bottom of the window where I need weights while its drying). It has the leaky valve cylinder heads from the Holset Spirit, no coolant, dies when rpms drop. I drove the car about 100 feet last year when I swapped out the cylinder heads and then moved it back into this parking spot. It ran better a year ago and actually started on the first kick. MSII idle control still needs to be fixed up. Pretty sure if it warmed up it would idle, just a bit high. Ignition timing is probably super off because I never set it when I swapped heads.

    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    made me smile



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    So I finally installed my new rear plexiglass window, tinted solar grey. Car is full of pine needles and small branches :P I still need to work on a way to prevent air from catching the top of the hatch and going under and creating high pressure behind the window.

    Advanced the timing just because I wasn't sure why it wouldn't run when RPMs dropped. Tried a few times and was able to get it to rev around 1800-2000 without dieing. The problem is that my MSII fuel maps are huge cam happy. With stock cams it runs incredibly lean below 2k rpms. After about 30 seconds it was pegging 21:1 AFR @ 1800 rpms. I know there is even less fuel at 1000 rpms. I also still need to block off the turbo oil return fitting on the oil pan :P

    So it should be as simple as a map change I will definitely save what I have though. I think I will stick with my big boost style map that only has 4 map based load points for n/a driving. I want to learn if that really is enough to be happy driving.

    My maps do need a complete revamp because 85kpa was WOT n/a @ high elevation. My 100kpa load point is "boost" up there but down here its probably going to be way too much fuel because of how safe I had it. I plan on registering the Duster and both Spirits in April and then figuring out if I want them all on insurance. Only my Holset is registered and insured at the moment. When I had the Duster insured it upped my yearly by 150 I think. Its been awhile.
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    4 load points for NA? they say that you can be just fine on a 8x8 map so i guess it should be good. dosnt make sense to me but im not a experienced engine tuner either.

    so i take it the plan is to race it NA this year?

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    Plan is to race something so I can enjoy myself. I don't really care what car I race. Would be fun to race The Junkyard n/a this year even if it has very few modifications and has leaking valves. I don't know yet what big modifications will happen first for this car. Exhaust seems like a bad idea to touch if I can't keep room for a transfer case but I don't want to race with a transfer case (still FWD) if passenger axles are really hard to come by. Valvetrain seems like an easy one since I can run fancy parts even with OEM manifolds. My fun side says do at least one thing this year :P
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    transfer case talk? i say dont race until you get awd popped in that bad boy

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    sounds like a turd
    2022 Viper runs 9s

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Registered all three 3.0's today. 3 speed Spirit needs huge oil leak investigation.
    The Junkyard needs the wipers installed and wired back in. I don't remember how much of the wiring I saved when I rewired the car. I have the wires from the multifunction switch rolled up, in a bag, and taped behind the dash. Hopefully I saved the intermittent wires.
    I can burn off the known E70 fuel that I have (maybe 7-12 gallons) while trying to work on an n/a VE table for OEM cams and then think about gasoline conversion. I guess one good thing about stock cams is that i need a lot more fuel at idle so maybe I can convert back to gasoline without changing injectors or dropping base pressure.

    Really hoping for the Tuner Studio Android app to come out. Bought a used Samsung Galaxy S (no plan) just so I could be able to bluetooth with my megasquirt.

    Not sure when I will put the Duster or 3 speed on insurance. Hoping soon but maybe not.
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    wait only 150 bucks more a year for a whole extra car? they want 180 a month from me for my diesel.
    so then how much a year for two cars

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    It used to be a little over 600 per 6 months for Duster and Spirit. Dropped the Duster and dropped down to the lower 500's after my paid in full discount. Maybe 200 or so dollars difference. Who knows now.
    Progressive's paid in full discount saves me almost 100 dollars every 6 months. I don't remember exactly what it was but I just paid. If I add cars then I will have to pay extra now for whatever is left of my current payment period.

    Looked at email history. My first period with 2 cars was $650 per 6 months paid in full. Dropped Duster and it was only $491 for 6 months paid in full. Then $523 paid in full the 6 months after that. Last was $533 per 6 months. So I might be paying near $700 (over 300 dollars increase per year) if I add just one car and I don't want to think about it with 3 cars
    Not sure why its going up.
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Still half what I have to pay for minimal coverage liability with infinity years no claims, no tix, and multiline discount They cover me on a rental I think, so sometimes I think I'll go and rent something worth 50K or so and write it off, just to get my money's worth..
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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Quote Originally Posted by Ondonti View Post
    It used to be a little over 600 per 6 months for Duster and Spirit. Dropped the Duster and dropped down to the lower 500's after my paid in full discount. Maybe 200 or so dollars difference. Who knows now.
    Progressive's paid in full discount saves me almost 100 dollars every 6 months. I don't remember exactly what it was but I just paid. If I add cars then I will have to pay extra now for whatever is left of my current payment period.

    Looked at email history. My first period with 2 cars was $650 per 6 months paid in full. Dropped Duster and it was only $491 for 6 months paid in full. Then $523 paid in full the 6 months after that. Last was $533 per 6 months. So I might be paying near $700 (over 300 dollars increase per year) if I add just one car and I don't want to think about it with 3 cars
    Not sure why its going up.
    Sounds like you need to change companies Unless you are paying for full coverage, then it's probably about right.
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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Other companies were...more expensive for me by a large amount at the minimums and deductibles I use. I also think it might go up because I don't think the vehicle use is correct. That might make it even with other companies :P
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    I pay like $100 a month to Travelers right now for 2 cars, an 89 Civic (my brother's car actually, he's young enough that he still gets raped for insurance in his own name lol) with liability only, and the '89 Turbo GTC with full coverage.
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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    I think people notice that their insurance goes down more so than they notice how much older they've gotten..

    Not to be nasty about it but when people 10-20 years older talk to me about how much cheaper their insurance is, it doesnt exactly help me in any way, shape, or form. Yeah, there is some difference between companies and all that, but the majority of the price difference between my insurance and older people's insurance IS just the age factor. Not much we can do about that.

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Yeah well, turning 40 this year, it goes down next renewal or I write off a rental... into the high rollers parking lot at the casino.
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Mine has been going up about 10-20 bucks per renewal. I am going to be insurance shopping in August when I come due. Not sure what I will do about eventually adding my wife.
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    Yeah well, turning 40 this year, it goes down next renewal or I write off a rental... into the high rollers parking lot at the casino.
    I am all for threatening your insurance and then exploiting it mercilessly when they dont help you. The sum of my experience with auto insurance thus far has led me to believe that the best way to get your money's worth out of them is to defraud them. Honest truth.

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    so i drove Blake Simons' (simon? Brother to Josh) car last night

    ported heads, full ported intake, 58mm, 3inch exhaust, moved coil, lightweight pully and flywheel, cams (same as mopar 3.0's?)

    talk about fast! I almost want to go as far as saying it was as quick as my car on 8psi... maybe its just been to long to remember. either way its faster than my car was NA... I think he will spank on the stock wrx my buddy has (has full exhaust and "tune" but not fast at all)


    point of this post? I cant wait to see the junkyard run down the strip with your intake on it.

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    Re: Junkyard starts up with 2 year old E85. Runs like water :D

    I didn't remember his name because Simon just always said "my brother" when we spoke. I can't remember from reading TD if he has parts from Josh's car or if he redid a full setup in honor of his brother. I do remember that he went with the heavier body car. Josh's P body always ran well, his Lebaron (first 3.0) ran terribly. That was not just due to weight. His Baron went 16.8 with full boltons. Put everything together in the Duster, 5 speed, and went low 14's after he redid the motor to 10:1 with new not really ported heads and a stock cam.
    People in early 2000's were running Daytona's with similar mods that were much slower then the car you just drove. Those same people tended to be party poopers when anyone else tried things out, or called bs on cars being quicker then theirs.
    Brent GREAT DEPRESSION RACING 1992 Duster 3.0T The Junkyard - MS II, OEM 10:1 -[I] Old - 11.5@125 22psi $90 [U]Stock[/U] 3.0 Junk Motor - 1 bar MAP [/I] 1994 Spirit 3.0T - 11.5@120 20 psi - Daily :eyebrows: Holset He351 -FT600 - 393whp 457ft/lb @18psi 1994 Spirit 3.0T a670 - He341, stock fuel, BEGI. Wife's into kid's project. 1990 Lebaron Coupe 2.2 TI/II non IC, a413 1990 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1993 Spirit 3.0 E.S. 41TE -- 1994 Duster 3.0 A543 1981 Starlet KP61 Potential driver -- 1981 Starlet KP61 Parts -- 1983 Starlet KP61 Drag 2005 Durango Hemi Limited -- 1998 Dodge 12v 47re. AFC mods, No plate, Mack plug, Boost elbow -- 2011 Dodge 6.7 G56

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