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    I have been struggling to get a hall-effect I had on hand to work with the 36-1 toothed wheel. Above 4k RPM the signal would have problems. I think they are because the sensor (from a '96 Dodge 3.3L) isn't designed for this setup (wheel thickness and RPM.) So yesterday I ordered the tabbed hall-effect sensor from DIY AutoTune. I went back and forth between the sensor and fabbing a 18-1 wheel. The sensor should allow me to reuse much of my existing mount and should work for as much RPM as I want to throw at it...

    I confirmed with Matt that they had them in stock. The web site was indicating that they were on back-order. Luckily the order had just arrived.

    As a side note, I confirmed that there threaded body hall-effect would also work. I was concerned about the 85C temperature limit. For an external mounting of the sensor I should be fine even in the conditions I saw during last year's Drag Week.

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    2.2 dodge = 225hp and 400tq

    1.6 honda = 350hp and 210tq

    fail

    as far as grip is concerned.. the launch was the only thing slowing this car down as far as grip goes. I think the slicks will be enough BUTTT a diff pin at the min should be used imo because youl be doing burnouts before every run more than likely. an obx is preferable though. slicks and obx would make such a killer difference
    Good slicks + Warm Weather + Decent track prep = No burnout needed.
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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    This could be an alternative... http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/rafr...&parttype=7196
    Variable reluctance sensor though.

    some hints buried in this... http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html
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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    Good slicks + Warm Weather + Decent track prep = No burnout needed.
    i didnt see one person with slicks not do a burnout. not saying it was required, just saying everyone did it.

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    The Drag Week 2012 locations have just been announce. Sept. 9-14

    2012 Drag Week Locations Announced - Hot Rod Magazine Blog

    Stop 1: Tulsa, Oklahoma
    Stop 2: Motorplex in Ennis, Texas
    Stop 3: Thunder Road in Gilliam, Louisiana
    Stop 4: Memphis International Raceway
    Stop 5: Back to Tulsa for evening finals.


    Looks like several long drives, especially the last one... Given that the finals are held in the evening, I may split the last leg over two days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    i didnt see one person with slicks not do a burnout. not saying it was required, just saying everyone did it.
    Depends on how close you are to the limits of traction... If you have more traction than you know what to do with, why do a burn out? If you are looking for every bit of traction you can find, better do a burnout... That said, I suspect there were a couple people at Tulsa last year that might be rethinking doing a burn out. (thinking of the guy (RWD) that had the nose lift higher and higher till he got off the throttle and slammed to the pavement! A little less traction may have given him his "usual" launch. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vigo View Post
    I was hooking 23/7/15 slicks off the 5800 limiter in my 3.0 dynasty on Wednesday even with no burnouts.. Best 60' was only 2.08. I was able to spin them if i dumped it but other than that they hooked. Ran 15.2@88

    I actually think the next step to improve my 60' is raise my rev limiter.
    Just read some of this in your build thread. It gives me hope that I can find the weight loss in my car and that with slicks I will be able to launch at more than ~1100 RPM that I had been...

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Quote Originally Posted by MC#4 View Post
    Who is the current holder of that title and what was their time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    Josh simons 14.2

    R.I.P.

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    Josh simons 14.2

    R.I.P.
    actually rick lozier has the fastest 3.0L 12 valve. im pretty sure it ran mid-high 13s all motor, and when blasted with the spray it ran sub 12s. it was a 92 or 93 iroc auto.
    The car is currently owned by another member on this board, maybe he will chime in???

    and my old 3.0 Duster ran 15.4's all day.....on street tires with 2.4-2.5 60 footers @ 91-92mph......if I had slicks it would have prolly broke a 13.99

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    It gives me hope that I can find the weight loss in my car and that with slicks I will be able to launch at more than ~1100 RPM that I had been...
    Slicks will get you 14s immediately but i think you have more to gain in figuring out the performance issues.. My car trapped exactly what it 'should' for the light mods but i think you are missing some mph because of the tune/electrical issues. Your car would probably already be in the 14s on street tires if that stuff was fixed.

    Best of luck with it, im watching with great interest.

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggy View Post
    actually rick lozier has the fastest 3.0L 12 valve. im pretty sure it ran mid-high 13s all motor, and when blasted with the spray it ran sub 12s. it was a 92 or 93 iroc auto.
    The car is currently owned by another member on this board, maybe he will chime in???

    and my old 3.0 Duster ran 15.4's all day.....on street tires with 2.4-2.5 60 footers @ 91-92mph......if I had slicks it would have prolly broke a 13.99
    sense when did he do it without spray? i was told he always used spray on his runs

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    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    Good slicks + Warm Weather + Decent track prep = No burnout needed.
    I second that.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqczG...e_gdata_player

    2500 rpm launch. All season street tires. 14.0@104

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    slicks + suspension blocks or something in the back would get you out of the hole very well.

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Don't say block, some of the cheaper folks here will replace the coil with a chunk of regular 4x4.... when we all know they should spend the extra 25c a board foot and go with the exterior treated stuff for durability.
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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    I was thinking lincoln logs

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    hes doing a coilover conversion or something similar

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    Yup, the plan is to use coilovers at all four corners so I can adjust the suspension. Probably be using some fairly firm springs, at least for Drag Week. My plan is to adjust the rear suspension heights to equalize the weight on the front wheels for track runs. Combined with slicks, an OBX LSD and some weight loss, that should make for some very quick launches.

    While I am waiting on the new Hall-effect to arrive from DIY AutoTune, I took care of a couple small things this evening.

    First, figuring out why my horn wasn't working (technically you need one for Drag Week, but I didn't get asked to demo it like many people did.) Anyway, verified that the horn itself does work when 12v is applied. Then went to the other end and verified that if I shorted the wire to the switch to the battery ground that the horn worked. The switch checked out, but the column wasn't grounded... So 6" piece of wire later the column is now grounded and the horn works.

    Second, since I had the airbag off ('92 steering column and dash) I took some time to gut the bag and reinstall just the backing plate and cover. That saves 2.2 lbs. Problably fill the cover with some spray foam before reinstalling it.

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    Remember to use the low expansion stuff.... don't wanna come back next day and find your interior is a solid lump of foam
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

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    Re: My v6 Drag Week build

    Jugs, I now have Rick Lozier's car. To my knowledge he never ran it at the track off the spray. It ran a best of 12.2@112 with the "old" 3.0 engine and tune with a 150 direct port shot (note that this was done with an A604 on a stock controller, but a stand-alone Haltec EK6 system). It's never been down the track with the new engine that is supposed to be a 3.2 stroker (this was the RPW kit from what I know). Rick claimed it was around 225hp off the bottle with the old engine, but I honestly think that might be a little bit of wishful thinking. In all the documentation I have for the car, there are NO dyno sheets.

    I know the car ran the numbers, but I think maybe the shop doing the work might have played up their work a bit to him as he did not do the work himself. My experience with said shop's work hasn't been pleasant, hence why I've never driven the car under its own power...sadly.

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    I just checked the tracking number for the new hall-effect sensor. It is scheduled for delivery for today and is list as "out for delivery" in REDONDO BEACH, CA. Only problem is I DON'T live in California. I am in Indiana! ACK! So much for getting it installed by this weekend...

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    Finally installed the DIY AutoTune hall-effect. At first I couldn't rev over 4700 RPM. Moved the sensor further out and it was worse. Moved it in and I was able to free rev to 7500 RPM!

    The timing err % is still pretty large (ranges between -12.7 to +12.7) Not sure what to make of that. I am hoping that we are now dealing with 12.7% of 10 degrees instead of 12.7% of 120 degrees... That would be a big improvement.

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    glad its working

    not sure what any of it means but im glad it works

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