Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 111

Thread: .5 neg camber

  1. #1
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    .5 neg camber

    Need to get an alignment soon. Usualy i just let them set it to factory specs.

    Im told to do 1.5 up front and 1 in the rear... But im not bothering with the rear so do i bother with the front?

    And for toe out do i go 1/16th ?

    My car is a 93 with stock factory worn bushings, new struts and shocks, shelby coils. Thanks

  2. #2
    Moderator Turbo Mopar Staff Force Fed Mopar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Greenville/Spartanburg SC area
    Posts
    7,557

    Re: .5 neg camber

    1.5 is fine if you corner hard a lot. If not just do 1.0. Ditto for the toe, if you like to corner set it to 1/16th out, if not set it to zero.
    Rob M.
    '89 Turbo GTC

    2.5 TIII stroker, 568 w/ OBX and 3.77 FD

  3. #3

    Re: .5 neg camber

    1.5 negative is a lot for the front. I wouldn't do more than -.5 for the front, the rear I usually just do 0. Toe, I don't know what is best.
    [SIZE="3"] [B]Jon Trotter[/B][/SIZE] [B]1985[/B] Dodge Shelby Charger, Currently decommissioned [B]1987[/B] Shelby GLHS, #937 [B]1987[/B] Shelby Lancer, #628 [QUOTE=Reeves;587010]I can be ready. Please send pics of wife. _____DodgeZ add comments here______[/QUOTE]

  4. #4
    Moderator Turbo Mopar Staff Force Fed Mopar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Greenville/Spartanburg SC area
    Posts
    7,557

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I've ghetto-aligned a lot of mine, usually I set the camber so that the top of the rim is a 1/4" farther from a straight-edge (framing square on a flat concrete surface) than the bottom. Tires always wore evenly. But, I drive my cars hard in corners a lot.
    Rob M.
    '89 Turbo GTC

    2.5 TIII stroker, 568 w/ OBX and 3.77 FD

  5. #5
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    Posts
    1,523

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I've used -.5 and -.75 in the front and haven't had any tire wear problems, I did rotate the tires every other oil change. I'm not sure you could get -1.5 camber in the front with the stock adjusting scheme. I tried zero toe and didn't like it. When I passed on two lane roads where there was a crown it makes the car twitchy with zero toe but it does turn in good.

  6. #6
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I take corners hard but id rather have stability at high speeds. Any different settings then?

  7. #7
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Niagara Falls, ON
    Posts
    7,548

    Re: .5 neg camber

    For higher speeds, zero toe or slight toe in, toe out makes it "lively" but it's a handful to drive for long highway hauls... especially in any wind.
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

  8. #8

    Re: .5 neg camber

    If the purpose of this car is a daily driver, not sure why you're stating such high negative camber. Unless you're driving to and from the grocery store like its an Autocross event, you wont need that config and unless you're rotating your tires every other week, you'll be buying tires a lot more frequently. I have mine setup at -.5 in the front and got almost 40k out of them and their z or close to rated tires. But I rotated them pretty regularly. Only noe at the end of like can I see wear on the inside and that's because I didn't rotate like I had been.
    [SIZE="3"] [B]Jon Trotter[/B][/SIZE] [B]1985[/B] Dodge Shelby Charger, Currently decommissioned [B]1987[/B] Shelby GLHS, #937 [B]1987[/B] Shelby Lancer, #628 [QUOTE=Reeves;587010]I can be ready. Please send pics of wife. _____DodgeZ add comments here______[/QUOTE]

  9. #9
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Because like everyone on this site, i want to get the most out of my viehicl. If tire wear IS noticable, ill have to pass

  10. #10
    Supporting Member Turbo Mopar Contributor
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Edmonton AB
    Posts
    2,082

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I also agree that -1.5 is a bit much for a daily driver. Personally I run -1degree of camber with 1/16th toe out with bushings or zero toe with rod ends or sphericals. I would never run toe in on a FWD car especially with bushings. The toe out is there to get zero toe under acceleration which will make it much more manageable and help it not wonder. When you accelerate the front tires want to drive around the front control arm hard point causing more toe in from the original set point due to bushing flex. 1/16th seems to be enough to counter act this. If you use a rod end control arm or convert your stock arms to sphericals there isn't the same flex so the toe out isn't needed and it will still accelerate as straight as an arrow.

  11. #11
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    MPLS, MN
    Posts
    3,589

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I also agree, 1.5 degrees of negative camber is too much for a daily driver. -.50 to -1.0 degree is more than enough for the street. Go 1.5 negative and you are gonna have to drive the vehicle really aggressively to get "even" tire wear, otherwise you will have much more wear on the inside of tires in a while. Rotating tires often will just make you have four tires with little thread in inboard side unless your driving the vehicle like you stole it.
    Todd

  12. #12

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    Because like everyone on this site, i want to get the most out of my viehicl. If tire wear IS noticable, ill have to pass
    Understood, but there wasn't mention in your original post as to whether there was purpose for the high negative camber, street vs strip. I assumed it was for street, but my comments (and I would assume others) would differ if the purpose of the high negative camber was for racing the car. And yes, it will be noticeable, especially if you don't rotate them frequently. I think I was rotating mine about every oil change and didn't see any noticeable wear. However, I went about 10K miles without doing this and it made a HUGE difference in the wear pattern. Tires are still good, but definitely going to stick to a schedule next round.

    And I wouldn't listen to DJ, he just drives his car in a straight line....... ;-)
    [SIZE="3"] [B]Jon Trotter[/B][/SIZE] [B]1985[/B] Dodge Shelby Charger, Currently decommissioned [B]1987[/B] Shelby GLHS, #937 [B]1987[/B] Shelby Lancer, #628 [QUOTE=Reeves;587010]I can be ready. Please send pics of wife. _____DodgeZ add comments here______[/QUOTE]

  13. #13
    Garrett booster
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Posts
    91

    Re: .5 neg camber

    1.5 negative camber gives about 30,000 miles life to tires for normal street driving. I am on my 4th set street tires at 135,000. -1.5 was aligned at 500 mile mark the first time, just to try it. Rotated as needed. Never aligned the rear it was just fine at factory setting. Always used alignment machine at work, till last 10 years.

  14. #14
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Spokane, Wa
    Posts
    9,046

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    Need to get an alignment soon. Usualy i just let them set it to factory specs.

    Im told to do 1.5 up front and 1 in the rear... But im not bothering with the rear so do i bother with the front?

    And for toe out do i go 1/16th ?

    My car is a 93 with stock factory worn bushings, new struts and shocks, shelby coils. Thanks
    All your answers are in the knowledge center article. http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/kn...-Systems:Index

    Quote Originally Posted by minigts View Post
    1.5 negative is a lot for the front. I wouldn't do more than -.5 for the front, the rear I usually just do 0. Toe, I don't know what is best.
    It's not that much, the rear is usually set up from the factory with -1.0 already.

    Quote Originally Posted by wallace View Post
    I've used -.5 and -.75 in the front and haven't had any tire wear problems, I did rotate the tires every other oil change. I'm not sure you could get -1.5 camber in the front with the stock adjusting scheme. I tried zero toe and didn't like it. When I passed on two lane roads where there was a crown it makes the car twitchy with zero toe but it does turn in good.
    -1.5 is usually about the limit for stock camber bolts. Once again the answers for what you want to and can run are in the knowledge center article.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    I take corners hard but id rather have stability at high speeds. Any different settings then?
    Stability is affected by Toe. Camber won't affect it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RoadWarrior222 View Post
    For higher speeds, zero toe or slight toe in, toe out makes it "lively" but it's a handful to drive for long highway hauls... especially in any wind.
    A man who understands.

    Quote Originally Posted by minigts View Post
    If the purpose of this car is a daily driver, not sure why you're stating such high negative camber. Unless you're driving to and from the grocery store like its an Autocross event, you wont need that config and unless you're rotating your tires every other week, you'll be buying tires a lot more frequently. I have mine setup at -.5 in the front and got almost 40k out of them and their z or close to rated tires. But I rotated them pretty regularly. Only noe at the end of like can I see wear on the inside and that's because I didn't rotate like I had been.
    It's not that high, for a race car you're talking about -2.5 to -4.0 depending on the track and type of racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    I also agree that -1.5 is a bit much for a daily driver. Personally I run -1degree of camber with 1/16th toe out with bushings or zero toe with rod ends or sphericals. I would never run toe in on a FWD car especially with bushings. The toe out is there to get zero toe under acceleration which will make it much more manageable and help it not wonder. When you accelerate the front tires want to drive around the front control arm hard point causing more toe in from the original set point due to bushing flex. 1/16th seems to be enough to counter act this. If you use a rod end control arm or convert your stock arms to sphericals there isn't the same flex so the toe out isn't needed and it will still accelerate as straight as an arrow.
    The spherical setup requires less camber. I ran -1.5 on stock and PB bushings which was great. Put my sphericals in and dropped down to -1.2 front and kept the -1.0 in the rear.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4 l-bodies View Post
    I also agree, 1.5 degrees of negative camber is too much for a daily driver. -.50 to -1.0 degree is more than enough for the street. Go 1.5 negative and you are gonna have to drive the vehicle really aggressively to get "even" tire wear, otherwise you will have much more wear on the inside of tires in a while. Rotating tires often will just make you have four tires with little thread in inboard side unless your driving the vehicle like you stole it.
    Todd
    I don't think I drive that aggressively, Definately less than than I did when I was 18. My tires wear even. My rear tires are from 2000. Yes they need to be changed as the rubber is hard now but the tire wear is even. They started on the front, then moved to the rear as the tread wore off from doing burnouts on them at the track.

    Quote Originally Posted by minigts View Post
    Understood, but there wasn't mention in your original post as to whether there was purpose for the high negative camber, street vs strip. I assumed it was for street, but my comments (and I would assume others) would differ if the purpose of the high negative camber was for racing the car. And yes, it will be noticeable, especially if you don't rotate them frequently. I think I was rotating mine about every oil change and didn't see any noticeable wear. However, I went about 10K miles without doing this and it made a HUGE difference in the wear pattern. Tires are still good, but definitely going to stick to a schedule next round.

    And I wouldn't listen to DJ, he just drives his car in a straight line....... ;-)
    You guys must never take a turn hard. I've run these settings for like 15 years. But anyway All the answers are in that article on what to run and what to run if you don't want to run as much camber in the front.

  15. #15
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    Re: .5 neg camber

    I read the article but it didnt answer my question.. what do i run in the front if i dont run any in the rear

  16. #16
    Moderator Turbo Mopar Staff Force Fed Mopar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Greenville/Spartanburg SC area
    Posts
    7,557

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    I read the article but it didnt answer my question.. what do i run in the front if i dont run any in the rear
    It really doesn't matter what you run in the rear, but I would just run -1.0 in the front. Doesn't sound to me like you'll need any more than that. If you aren't going to mess with the rear even to verify, then you obviously aren't interested in cornering hard enough to worry about it.
    Rob M.
    '89 Turbo GTC

    2.5 TIII stroker, 568 w/ OBX and 3.77 FD

  17. #17
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    Re: .5 neg camber

    The im set up now, i understeer

    I dont want to buy anything like shims and such.

  18. #18
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Spokane, Wa
    Posts
    9,046

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    I read the article but it didnt answer my question.. what do i run in the front if i dont run any in the rear
    It's right here, read it again "By having a 1/2 degree less in the back it keeps the handling characteristics we're looking for but just doesn't have quite the limit of traction as the higher specs.

    So you need to know what you HAVE in the rear. Then adjust the front to have 1/2 degree MORE negative camber than the rear has.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sundance 6g72 View Post
    The im set up now, i understeer

    I dont want to buy anything like shims and such.
    By having the split of camber the car will be balanced evenly. It will slide all 4 tires equally with just a hint of over or understeer depending on throttle position which is what you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    It really doesn't matter what you run in the rear, but I would just run -1.0 in the front. Doesn't sound to me like you'll need any more than that. If you aren't going to mess with the rear even to verify, then you obviously aren't interested in cornering hard enough to worry about it.
    It does matter what you run in the rear. You need to know what the rear is set at to set the front to balance the car. If the rear had 3 degree's negative you'd need 3.5 up front to balance it.

  19. #19
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    michigan
    Posts
    2,241

    Re: .5 neg camber

    So tell them i want -.5 deg more in the front than the rear.

  20. #20
    turbo addict
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Spokane, Wa
    Posts
    9,046

    Re: .5 neg camber

    Now ya got it.

Page 1 of 6 12345 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. camber adjustment help
    By wallace in forum Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, Traction
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 03-18-2010, 10:39 PM
  2. Can't get enough neg camber?
    By cordes in forum Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, Traction
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-28-2009, 09:24 PM
  3. Rear camber
    By lametec in forum Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, Traction
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 08-12-2009, 03:46 PM
  4. Neg. 2-deg camber too much??
    By turbojerk in forum Suspension, Brakes, Wheels, Traction
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 07-07-2008, 08:29 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •