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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Guess we'll have to post up our requests, so I'd be interested for an auto, SMEC, dizzy setup.
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Wonder if you could try to be a smartarse and use it to kick in a center lock up clutch on a part time AWD setup when the front wheels lose traction....
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Could easily be done in the future.
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Requests for new products are great, but as we have seen in the past someone wants something, you spend a lot of money to get it developed then when ready everybody has an excuse why they can't buy one....
    I would be willing to work with neil to get other applications done, but I would have to see at least 5-10 prepaid orders to make it worthwile to develope.
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by glhs727 View Post
    Requests for new products are great, but as we have seen in the past someone wants something, you spend a lot of money to get it developed then when ready everybody has an excuse why they can't buy one....
    I would be willing to work with neil to get other applications done, but I would have to see at least 5-10 prepaid orders to make it worthwile to develope.
    Correct, hence why if we post up, you have an idea for the future,
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    I am very interested... but I am also a cheapskate.... Well sorta.. Just have to many hobbies..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vipernbox View Post
    I am very interested... but I am also a cheapskate.... Well sorta.. Just have to many hobbies..
    Ditto, got all these strange obsessions to fund, like eating, keeping the lights on, avoiding foreclosure etc.
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    However, new products, especially ones for a niche market like this, do not happen without support. Without support and new products, the niche slowly dies away. That's the awful truth, and is, as always, a catch 22.
    Neil V. Emiro 2005 Dodge SRT-4

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Oh no... Mine is way worse.. it involves a boat... and traveling.. At least the boat doesn't burn gas... (Hobie 16)


    But seriously.. I am very interested in one of these.. This is just the kind of thing I can see myself springing for... Total 'high tech' in something that shouldn't be.. Love it..



    So any and all details on what is required to adapt the current setup to the SMEC/LM would be awesome... Or what the heck right.. The sand rail has a SBEC VNT setup..

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    Adapting is easy from the user's standpoint, but to make it right will require some rework on my end.
    Neil V. Emiro 2005 Dodge SRT-4

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Personally I think some "common ground" coil and distributor version would sell best. Because off the top of my head, I can only think of 4 or 5 people/cars that could go for the TIII setup as is.... due to many R/Ts now being preserved as summer cars, unmodded, seldom taken to the track, and never having wet or snow traction issues because they never see it. OTOH, there's a lot more "ordinary" but modded to the gills TMs around in DD and serious racing service that this would appeal to I would think.

    By common ground, I mean requiring some set of electronics that pretty much everyone can mod to if they really want to run it. For instance, we know about how to use the later speed sensors...
    http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/speedsensor.html

    Though if it has to be... I can see some folks going out and trying to get DIS and neon coil packs working on older stuff....
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    Think we're getting buried too deep in the weeds. The product was originally developed for the SRT-4 - an ABS equipped, DIS car. Making the leap to the TIII w/ABS was a logical one, and indeed the engineering and thorough testing has been conducted. Moving to a single coil, distributor 4 cylinder is not too complicated from here, and indeed I made a one-off TCS to do this job in Chris' GLHS (albeit, it uses a SRT-4 ABS system). Put the two flavors here (Chris' SOHC version and the R/T version) together, and coming up with a version for the 2.2/2.5 SOHC cars is fairly straightforward, but I also know there are some internal modifications to TCS that must be made to accommodate it. What I can tell you off hand, is that you can take one of these R/T versions right into an SOHC car, and it will start up and run great! There is some software that has to be taken care of, as there will only be one coil vs. DIS. If you can make a real business case to Cindy, that she feels this version will not just it sit on the shelf, then I will move forward with the necessary mods to make it happen.
    Neil V. Emiro 2005 Dodge SRT-4

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    Yeah, realize the TIII application was the easy step, most logical first step, just hoping you're not judging total potential demand off what might be relatively few TIII orders.
    DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    I was considering getting a WOT box but this looks like a better option. I'll be running a distributor setup on a 2.4 though. I have no problems adding a clutch switch as I'd have to for the WOT box anyway. Problem will be coming up with the cash that soon.

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    I've been involved with the Shelby Dodge market for quite a long time, and I do know what to expect.


    WOT Box is a great product, and it certainly has it's place - like when you want to do less than you can
    Neil V. Emiro 2005 Dodge SRT-4

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by moparman76_69 View Post
    I was considering getting a WOT box but this looks like a better option. I'll be running a distributor setup on a 2.4 though. I have no problems adding a clutch switch as I'd have to for the WOT box anyway. Problem will be coming up with the cash that soon.
    Ditto, I really need some help with launching, and yeah, cash flow,


    Maybe get a count on how many would be interested and do a spring sale, I'd be able to save up by then, just in time for drag racing season.
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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    I was actually not going to do the TIII (or SBEC for that matter) on my '87 Shelby CSX. That car will be getting a regular coil pack and SMEC electronics.

    But, lots of TIII vehicles in the works here, so I'm definitely still down for one with this group buy sale that FWDP is doing! Probably use it on my Omni GLH instead which is getting TIII SBEC.

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    Very cool. I have no interest in this product (nothing to use it on) but to see what can be done to bring modern technology into an old platform like these just never ceases to amaze me.

    Quote Originally Posted by glhs727 View Post
    Requests for new products are great, but as we have seen in the past someone wants something, you spend a lot of money to get it developed then when ready everybody has an excuse why they can't buy one....
    I would be willing to work with neil to get other applications done, but I would have to see at least 5-10 prepaid orders to make it worthwile to develope.
    Big +1... I'm not doing my 'group buy' to make a profit and become a vendor. But hearing so much interest, putting out big $$$ upfront and now to sit back and watch it fizzle out.... I doubt I'll break even on it. I dont know how you can be a fulltime vendor for this crowd and stay sane.

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    Re: Traction control now available for our cars!!!

    Is this a stand-alone system similar to an aftermarket remote start, or does it require a special FWDP modified SBEC like a Trim-cal?

    Is the option of being able to switch between tires sizes easy and quick once you have it dialed in? I like to drive my car to the track and put the slicks on there. I'd rather not have to spend 15-20 minutes(or however long) resetting the unit.

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    It's a standalone system, and does not 'care' what ECU you have in your turbo Dodge
    Neil V. Emiro 2005 Dodge SRT-4

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