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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    you have a progressive controller or something?

    Dont push the red button.You hear me?

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    I can only assume that is a screenshot from MS showing the virtues of its Nitrous control capabilities.

    I do not currently have any type of controller. I just flip the arming switch when I hit 2nd gear.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    thats megasquirt II's nos control. i think as long as you have a solenoid or something for the nos setup, megasquirt can trigger a relay that would turn the nos on.

    MS3 might have more settings. i looked around at an ms3 tune and there is just SOOO much more.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    These engines are very good for RPM, 7K with a properly rebuilt engine shouldn't be an issue.
    Sundance and I rev'd the engine in my Shadow to 7500 RPM at Drag Week. The bottom end has 250k miles. The top end does have 3.3L springs and LS1 retainers... I will likely rebuild the bottom end when I go to +3 valves this winter.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    I dunno, 1000 dollars could probably rebuild a stock 3.0 twice
    I get tired of fixing stuff so its cheap insurance, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c2xejk View Post
    Sundance and I rev'd the engine in my Shadow to 7500 RPM at Drag Week. The bottom end has 250k miles. The top end does have 3.3L springs and LS1 retainers... I will likely rebuild the bottom end when I go to +3 valves this winter.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    I think he was wondering why you said rebuilt lol.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Matt Monett took oem 8:1 turbo piston rod combo's of questionable quality off his shop flooor, put them in a block. Ran the first 9 second pass for a 3/S car, and was sitting over 9500 rpms at the top of 3rd gear through the traps @ 151mph. We have the same rods. He spun a bearing later on but the rod never failed.

    Loziers Daytona went high 12's with a lot of weight and auto trans on spray. We think of his motor being highly built but I think its fairly tame as far as actual power gains go. It probably just had a good tune. Sunmind recently built his 12 valve, high dollar internals but the only crazy thing was 11+ compression ratio. He made 220whp with a stage 2 RPW cam which fell off before 7k. His heads were ported professionally but I don't know how much that helped. He had oem size ferreas.
    For a big spray, I would want a progressive nitrous controller. I like megasquirts capabilities to change fueling but I like progressive spray. When you are on slicks, you can spray in first gear too Progressive spray in 1st gear on slicks would probably be a really good thing.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Nice, 12's on the auto, 3 or 4 speed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    I think he was wondering why you said rebuilt lol.
    Ahh. Well sometimes you never know what you have, lol.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Yeah we reved that thing to 7500rpms so many times

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Nice, 12's on the auto, 3 or 4 speed?



    Ahh. Well sometimes you never know what you have, lol.
    You are right about that lol.

    I think Lozier's car was running a 604 4-spd. Not sure though. PM Reaper1, he owns it now.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post

    I think Lozier's car was running a 604 4-spd. Not sure though. PM Reaper1, he owns it now.
    That rings a bell. Glad the auto seemed to hold.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    if one wants to build a budget motor, than build one with more affordable pistons. im not building a budget motor. how fast can you afford to go? people all the time use cheap parts to go fast but how often do those same people do it consistently and reliably without any hiccups or dreaded grenading that takes out a bunch of components. personally i have been looking at what i will be paying myself for my motor rebuild, and it is still cheaper for me to do it once (with forged) than to do it twice with cast. and thats with me still doing the majority of the prep work and then the final assembly. so..

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Very well said Shayne, I agree 100%.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    you should build your car how you want to and enjoy it to the max, i wish i could have driven mine a bunch more before being forced to make these purchases to get it done. i only got two weeks out of it before it died!! there is nothing wrong with building in steps either, like spend the $$ after the motor gets nuked from abuse, kinda modify as you need and as you can afford, thats what hot rodding used to be.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    there is nothing wrong with building in steps either, like spend the $$ after the motor gets nuked from abuse, kinda modify as you need and as you can afford, thats what hot rodding used to be.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Well, I am sloooowly starting to gather things for this upcoming rebuild. I am currently looking for a torque plate for this motor. After a 2 hour search last night, I think my only choice is to have one made at a machine shop. The only new one I could find is $500+ and that is not happening. One guy on 3si had one made a few years ago but he's in austrailia and even if I could convince him to lend it out, shipping would kill that idea. Anybody have any info on a cheaper torque plate?

    I'm not looking for an arguement about how torque plates are useless or Ill never make enough power to notice a difference. I'm a firm believer in them and one way or another Ill get my hands on one.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    How much did it cost that other guy to make one? Might be better off just buying the 500 dollar one. A DOHC engine should use the same plate.
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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Im pretty sure It cost him $500-$600 to have one made. I have had things cut on CNC before and the price was always reasonable. Its just a piece of aluminum with some holes cut, very simple design really.

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    Re: 3.0 Build Project: "Green Machine"

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    I dunno, 1000 dollars could probably rebuild a stock 3.0 twice
    I kind disagree here , because the chances of popping a piston here are going to take out the motor. I believe in the do it right pay less later.

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