Went to the track tonight. Slower then I wanted but still fun

[Ondonti]

14.308 @ 94.74 = slow?

87 - I'd DEFINITELY get an LC-1. Without proper A/F feedback, your tune is probably not as accurate as it could/should be robbing you of power. Once i got my tune dialed in somewhat and the nut behind the wheel tightened, I was mid to low 14's fairly consistently in a full interior P-body. I'd venture a guess that you are ritch in the upper RPMs robbing you of top end HP. I have had to constantly PULL fuel from my full throttle section of the map to bring the A/F #s in line. I probably can pull more, but haven't been able to drive the car due to all the transplant work for the new chassis.

Big difference between making a rare pass on a bad tune and making a LOT of passes on a decent tune. Your car is still missing something for power in all that 24 valves of madness. You took most of the driver out of the equation. I hurt my performance on a regular basis whenever I sat behind the wheel.

For others, most of the problem is the driver. All I ever did with a604 was put it in 1st gear selector, Brake torque until I was on the stall of 2250 or whatever things are stock, and then roll out as fast as I could while holding traction. A543 was a little faster but not consistent. My first pass with a543 was slower then my best a604 pass even though I thought I did a good job, and the car was a little quicker.

YogurtSlingers junk Duster ran a 15.2 stock after sitting 2 years and then a 14.8 when he put some old tiny 22" slicks on. The 15.2 was on 2 year old gasoline. I believe the driver had mad driving skills to go along with a happy 3.0.

[87turbodance]

There is a spotless bone stock 3.0L / 543 1993 Shadow in Bolton for like $2000ish. Red with black 16" Pumpers (I think that's what they're called).. if I remember I think it only had like 170km on it. Its on trader.ca

I'm not a big p body fan. I used to have one and I like the A body better. If I find a nice p body I might reconsider. That being said, $2000 is bit more then I want to spend. I can get a clean 2.5/auto A body for under $1000 and then swap everything over.

I have been considering a 1st gen neon and swapping the 3.0 over with a custom intake.

Maybe a Stratus...

[Sundance 6g72]

neon over stratus. Neon handling is sooo much better and of course its lighter. I love driving the stratus though <3

[bond_bbs]

I'm not a big p body fan. I used to have one and I like the A body better. If I find a nice p body I might reconsider. That being said, $2000 is bit more then I want to spend. I can get a clean 2.5/auto A body for under $1000 and then swap everything over.

I have been considering a 1st gen neon and swapping the 3.0 over with a custom intake.

Maybe a Stratus...

To each their own. My only reason for posting that up is because it is spotless. Most early 90s Dodges for cheap (and expensive sometimes) are rotten or beginning to rot. And this is factory V6/5spd , and being in good shape and relatively low clicks makes her the most rare EEK ever!

[87turbodance]

To each their own. My only reason for posting that up is because it is spotless. Most early 90s Dodges for cheap (and expensive sometimes) are rotten or beginning to rot. And this is factory V6/5spd , and being in good shape and relatively low clicks makes her the most rare EEK ever!

I agree it's a great option. I just another car in my if I'm spending over $2k

I think I found the car you are talking about - nice car! He wants $2900 with 240,000 KM.

I'd rather find myself a Status and swap my motor and trans into it.


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neon over stratus. Neon handling is sooo much better and of course its lighter. I love driving the stratus though <3

I agree but I might need the roomier interior of the Stratus because this car will have to be more then a dedicated track car.

[bond_bbs]

Could be an older ad for the same car, not 100% sure where I saw it.. but I swore it was closer to 2K with lower klicks..

[Vigo]

If you're talking about a 1st gen stratus, i think that's a good idea. IMO it's an attractive car with a decent interior and if i had a 2.0/5spd again (i had one at one time which i parted out for my neon) or a 3.0/5spd i'd be DD'ing it right now.

[87turbodance]

If you're talking about a 1st gen stratus, i think that's a good idea. IMO it's an attractive car with a decent interior and if i had a 2.0/5spd again (i had one at one time which i parted out for my neon) or a 3.0/5spd i'd be DD'ing it right now.

Yep. A 1st gen stratus with a 3.0/A543 with megasquirt and maybe a turbo over the trans.

[bond_bbs]

If you're looking for a cool transplant idea - there is a guy in my area with a Stealth ES stripped down, has running DOHC 24V 3.0L that he's willing to let go of for cheap. Like $300 - $400 cheap. No tranny though, but bolt that thing to an A543 and have some fun.

With that being said - 87, it sucks that we never got the 2nd (or is it 3rd?) gen Stratii.. the sleaker nicer looking ones that came with 5spd 3.0L in RT trim..

[Vigo]

Stealths have the motor and tranny on opposite sides of the engine bay compared to a dodge. To me, that means it would be pretty pointless to try to swap it to dodge-style orientation when you could start with a COMPLETE sohc/5spd stealth for very cheap and end up in pretty much the same place.

As for the newer stratus coupes (i assume you're talking about the ones from '00 to ~05 here?), i dont really like them. To me, they dont look that great. IMO the 1g Stratus sedan has a really clean, attractive design, and since it came with a similar motor (sohc 24v 2.5l 6g73) you have a lot of stuff to start off with.. it's almost guaranteed that you would not have to do much fabrication to bolt in a 12v 3.0.

i DO think you'd need a custom plenum on a mitsu lower intake, though. Those cars have an intake manifold that is contorted to fit in that engine bay (hood clearance).

[Sundance 6g72]

idk man... to each his own. guy around me goes to the local meats with his 3.0 RT stratus with gloss black paint and wheels, SEXI. needs a slight drop due to the typical stock lifted suspension on our cars but other than that is nice.

otherwise id go for a 2.4 5pd car and just MS it and run an srt4 turbofold with srt 4 rods and pistons from modern performance for cheep. last time i checked they where SUPER cheep (like $400) for rods, pistons and rings.

[87turbodance]

idk man... to each his own. guy around me goes to the local meats with his 3.0 RT stratus with gloss black paint and wheels, SEXI. needs a slight drop due to the typical stock lifted suspension on our cars but other than that is nice.

otherwise id go for a 2.4 5pd car and just MS it and run an srt4 turbofold with srt 4 rods and pistons from modern performance for cheep. last time i checked they where SUPER cheep (like $400) for rods, pistons and rings.

I don't want a 2.4. Too buzzy for me. Whatever car I choose will run either a 6g72 SOHC 12V or SOHC 24V. Likely the 12V because that is what I have. 1st gen Stratus is an attractive option for because it was offered with a mitsu v6 factory, has a modern appearance, suspension and interior. Also, they can be found in decent shape for a small sum of money.

[Ondonti]

I wanted to check out my Duster's shifting problem (doesn't want to go into 1, 3, 5) and while messing with the cables etc etc, I started the motor up and its idling 20:1 AFR during warmup.

I think that might partially be thanks to my KPA settings stopping at 38. I couldn't idle lower KPA then that at 4400 feet elevation.
No throttle response but then it revs up over 5k when I am just trying to throttle it up. So loud with straight pipe 3"
I took off the hatch so I can get new lexan cut. I want to drive it.

It didn't start up as easy as last week but no big deal.

[j4278h]

YogurtSlingers junk Duster ran a 15.2 stock after sitting 2 years and then a 14.8 when he put some old tiny 22" slicks on. The 15.2 was on 2 year old gasoline. I believe the driver had mad driving skills to go along with a happy 3.0.

That was my duster that we pulled out of a field. The only thing we did to that car was put a new rear wheel bearing on it. Then off to the track with it. I drove the heck out of that car without a working tach. Got it to around 14.9 with street tires and down to a 14.6 with slicks.

Ended up with many passes on the car. That car made me a believer out of the 3.0 5speed setup.

[Sundance 6g72]

I wanted to check out my Duster's shifting problem (doesn't want to go into 1, 3, 5) and while messing with the cables etc etc, I started the motor up and its idling 20:1 AFR during warmup.

I think that might partially be thanks to my KPA settings stopping at 38. I couldn't idle lower KPA then that at 4400 feet elevation.
No throttle response but then it revs up over 5k when I am just trying to throttle it up. So loud with straight pipe 3"
I took off the hatch so I can get new lexan cut. I want to drive it.

It didn't start up as easy as last week but no big deal.

same with my car. due to the coolant temp sensor being a gm along with the stock ecu. is your sensor calibrated right? maybe warmup enrichment's are now funky?

[Ondonti]

Well the real issue would really be that stock camshafts move a LOT more air at low rpms then big cams. Not exactly a priority to get right. The car is so loud that I don't know if I should even think about driving it. I think I put a muffler on it but there may also be some leaks.