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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1 View Post
    He's running an electric water pump, so very little power loss by speeding the pump up.

    Large AN does exist, but not through your typical race shops. To go to the size needed for cooling systems your best bet is aircraft parts. It's out there, it's just not cheap....at all!
    Well, readily available -16 as stated above is all I have seen and I don't think it would be a fun sourcing anything from aircraft vendors. I couldn't remember if he had the electric pump which is a great mod for his race class.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Rrider View Post
    Rob I have your wheels ready to send but your PM inbox is full.

    I've seen 16AN fittings but nothing larger. Where do you go for bigger than 16?
    I'm running -12 lines now. So, 16 on the bottom is an upgrade. I don't intend to go bigger.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    They have to have larger...the fuel and oil lines for large equipment can be quite large. Maybe at that point they don't consider them AN fittings, just JIC hydraulic fittings (I think I got that acronym right).

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1 View Post
    They have to have larger...the fuel and oil lines for large equipment can be quite large. Maybe at that point they don't consider them AN fittings, just JIC hydraulic fittings (I think I got that acronym right).
    JIC is correct. In actuality almost all "AN" fittings that you buy are actually machined to JIC spec because the AN ones are more expensive to do according to what I've read.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    "AN" simply means that they fall within the military standard of measuring hydraulic fittings. They may, or may not be Mil-Spec. To my knowledge they are all 37* taper fittings, which match JIC. I think I'm correct on that.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper1 View Post
    "AN" simply means that they fall within the military standard of measuring hydraulic fittings. They may, or may not be Mil-Spec. To my knowledge they are all 37* taper fittings, which match JIC. I think I'm correct on that.
    It's splitting hairs, but yes they are both 37* tapers. IIRC the AN standard varies from the JIC standard in the thread department and only very slightly. Unless you're working with something that needs to meet the AN standard they are interchangeable.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Just a long overdue update -

    Bigger (-16) lines and fittings are on the way.

    I got the 2nd set of beadlocks from Rrider and had a used set of street tires put on. They're a little bit heavier than the skinnies, but the street tread should help to hold the car in the water box. Installing them I noticed that the RH rear brake doesn't hold for crap. So, I need to adjust that. Also had to buy some 5mm spacers to fit the wheels over the studs.

    I dropped the k-frame and whacked it over to the drivers side as much as I could. but, I think it moved 1/8" at the most. I also loosened up the passenger side a-arm and pulled it out to the limit of the bolt slop. That got my camber to be equal on both sides with the adjusters in the same basic spot. So, I should be in a better spot to get the front end dialled in.

    This entire summer was basically a loss. With my new position, I haven't had any free time during the week to work on the car. And, BoostButton takes up all my weekends as a result. I haven't had the car out since April. And now it's turning cold. If I can get it aligned this weekend, I may get out one more time this year. Luckily, my job seems to be calming down now. Hope it stays that way thru to the spring.

    Need to get all my tuning stuff working so I can really dial in this cal.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    I got the -16AN water hose built up. Drained the water out of the car, then I got cold and so I went in to watch football.



    Also forgot to add, 2manyturbos brought me a hollow-tube rear axle at the GL-SDAC Fall Color Tour.



    I'll grind on it a little bit to take even more weight out, then blast it and paint it. I think it will also get 3/4" Heims instead of rubber bushings. And, I'm going to read the rules and see what I can do for 'wheelie' bar (aka traction bar). I may end up adding some mounts to this thing before it goes in.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Were you able to test the weight difference?

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by Vigo View Post
    Were you able to test the weight difference?
    Not yet. Shelby axle is still on the car. I'll weigh this one before and after lightening it. And I'll weigh the Shelby axle when it comes out.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Where you going to do the heims exactly? I don't think you can for the main bushings as the axle moves side to side slightly as it goes up and down. Maybe there's a way to allow for that? I don't know. Curious as to your thoughts on it.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 View Post
    Where you going to do the heims exactly? I don't think you can for the main bushings as the axle moves side to side slightly as it goes up and down. Maybe there's a way to allow for that? I don't know. Curious as to your thoughts on it.
    If it does move side to side, I want to prevent it. This car only goes straight, with 1 turn to get off the track.

    The trailing arms are pretty flexible side to side. I think they can take any necessary sideways compliance.
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Rob I don't know if you saw this yet, but we are now allowed to run head studs in our stock eliminator motors.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Quote Originally Posted by T1 woodywagon View Post
    Rob I don't know if you saw this yet, but we are now allowed to run head studs in our stock eliminator motors.
    No, I hadn't seen that yet. I haven't had a problem with the stock bolts, but it's good to know we can use better fasteners. Next motor will probably get them. The engine in the car now was built to 2006 standards. There's a lot I can do now that wasn't legal then (valve job, valve springs).
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Depending on how the Hiem joint is installed it is totally possible to keep the articulation of the rear axle without binding it up. I've been thinking about how to do it for a long time and the best solution I've come up with is to make an adapter that allows the joint to be pressed in and the adapter is either welded or bolted into the axle. A joint similar to what is used for most strut pillow-ball mounts would be up to the task, I think.

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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Stole this on eBay.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/301385424843...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

    Is ttre8492 anyone on here?
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Good price on that!

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    Yeah... SCORE!
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    Wow, long time no updates...

    I've been thinking this winter about how to get this car to be more consistent. Since NHRA class racing is almost always bracket racing, I really need to be able to dial this car consistently; and make the dial.

    When we got the LeBaron, it came with a ton of recent and old timeslips. And, it turns out my car is both faster, and more consistent getting off the line. But, it's still not good enough.

    Daytona 60' vs. R/T


    Lebaron 60' vs. R/T


    The interesting thing is, both cars have about the same 'scatter' in R/T. The LeBaron is just a little faster (and red lights more often). I'm not sure what that means really, if anything.

    But, the Daytona is maybe a tenth faster, a less scatter' on the 60'. Of course, it's 200lbs lighter running the same engine and trans combination. So, it should be faster.

    The next thing I looked at recently, was my staging RPM, throttle position, and MAP; for those runs where I had data. And, I found a pretty big discrepancy between runs. I'll post more tomorrow when I finish my spreadsheet...
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    Re: '89 Daytona C/S NHRA Stocker

    If a person were so inclined, could a delay box be set up using the cruise switch?

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