Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

[Sundance 6g72]

you most deffinetly can run staged injection, msII supports it as well. Something fun to try with e85 would be to take an older injector you have laying around and mount it in the intercooler piping, have staged injection fire that injector during full boost to help cool the intake tract even more. I remember reading a while ago that a guy with his small bike engine was running e85. he had an injector setup to fire like i just described and he said his intake manifold would be suprisingly cool after a run when before it would be kind of heatsoaked.

someone with a custom lower intake could have 4 fuel rails with 12 injectors for sure. Ed runs additional injectors with his emanage on the spirit. I also saw a HUGE big block running ms3 with 4 rails and 16 injectors. 8 for idle and all 16 for WOT.


edit: anyways, i think a stand alone would be good for you due to how modded your engine is. Perfect fuel and spark control to keep the motor happy

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on a side note.. i had a $25 visa card from Christmas that I had not used.. picked this up on ebay ahahah

[shayne]

any bets to see who the first guy with a "turbo mopar" is the first to 700whp in a street legal package...
im my circle of friends my car has been dubbed "the destroyer".... of transmissions?
if you change your mind i can emai you pics how i modded my sending unit for an aeromotive in tank just in case you decide to go a more affordable route.

[Sundance 6g72]

hahaha me of course

[shayne]

well sir, i foresee a battle of the 3l's at a sdac in the future sometime/someyear.

[Sundance 6g72]

haha maybe if i find a nice shell.

if i want to do some real drag racing ill need to source an lsd and slicks. finding a second a543 would not hurt right now either.. ive been putting those things off because im not sure if i will stick with the turbododge platform. I guess if i find a cheep clean shadow shell i will stick with it.

ive been contemplating the suburu front strut conversion lately

[shayne]

as time passes, parts for these cars will vanish. so, i see two ways of going about prepping for it, and either hoard parts for future spares, or switch to a newer platform that shows promise for sustaining parts availability for the next 10-20yrs.
doesnt help finding a shell in your neck of the woods being in the rustbelt.

[NeverLow]

haha maybe if i find a nice shell.

if i want to do some real drag racing ill need to source an lsd and slicks. finding a second a543 would not hurt right now either.. ive been putting those things off because im not sure if i will stick with the turbododge platform. I guess if i find a cheep clean shadow shell i will stick with it.

ive been contemplating the suburu front strut conversion lately

Glad to hear things r moving along! A lot to think about in my build as well. Bout to start tear down and collecting parts soon.

Idk which a543 ur looking for (3.50 or 3.77 FD) but if the 3.77 is fine, message jason h. He told me he has a few. Im def grabbing one in the very near future to get ready and send off to TU.

Ive been thinking i am going to to the subaru conversion too! A bunch of my buddies r big subi heads and go thru them crazy. I am going to see if any of them have any laying around before i have to go buy them new.

[Sundance 6g72]

yep, thats what im saying. Worst comes to worst it could get swapped into a 3gen eclipse GT but im not sure thats something i want to drive.. if i switch shells i want to have rwd but that even poses its own troubles with finding a trans that will take abuse.


edit: thanks man. im not to set on spending the money on a trans and struts just yet.

I wouldnt mind a conquest/starion 3.0 but i need a trans!

[RoadWarrior222]

D50 or Raider

[Sundance 6g72]

from the little i know about that trans is that its kinda weak and has bad gearing.. but that was a brief search.

[Sundance 6g72]

[Irocelectric93]

The suby front strut conversion is cool but a BC coilover setup would be better in my opinion. More money but def worth it and rebuildable. Parts will start to disappear and already have in a lot of areas. I've been looking for a spare A543 for a while thats within a reasonable driving distance and have yet to find one. Haven't been looking super hard though to be honest. I'd love a 3.0 conquest myself. That's actually probably the next car ill be looking into getting once i build my garage (hopefully this year!) and i'll either go a 2.4 turbo route or a 3.0. The 3.0 is the way i'd like to go but the 2.4 is the easier route. The new MS package is awfully nice. Makes me wish i'd waited to buy my MS3 until they came out with this stuff. I have the expansion board so i have alot of the stuff but the new package is better and more refined which i like and EVERYTHING is there. Oh well right? Seems like i haven't touched my car in years probably because i haven't really but you talking about doing stuff to your car is making me antsy.

[Ondonti]

Conquest is ....already out of parts so I don't get that one. Obviously they still keep moving along. Subaru front end (will probably go this route on at least one car) and then something else later. I don't believe anything has to be done just because someone puts out a time constraint to push you into making a decision. When one road ends, another can begin if you keep going, even in the same car. You can do the cheap suspension now and try something else later. Cheap would better fit the "i might ditch this whole thing" plan. 3000gt's have a harder time finding parts and the people who really complain about it are the people who can't afford to work on their cars in the first place. That or people who can't do their own work and let shops overcharge them for "hard to find stuff."
Anyone think Supras are easy to find parts for? At reasonable prices, no. A 6 speed supra trans will sell for 6,000 dollars. The Tilton clutch that everyone uses is 3,000 dollars.
If people only want to rely on dealers for parts, they are gonna be in trouble. Find suppliers who transmission shops deal with, etc. I am also sure that a little extra $ will bring in a transmission shipped even if you can't find one local. I remember I almost pulled the trigger on a cheap 3000gt and wanted to try some sort of awd conversion on a K based car. That was quite a few years ago and quite stupid now that I think about how expensive that "cheap" project would be. I was basing my decision on what seemed easy and affordable. I was so tempting to get something that seemed important that I was willing to overlook all the red flags. The biggest red flag would be what I worry about when I think about my Starlet. Why do I want a car that will go so fast when I don't seem to want to drive the things as much as tinker with them. Its easy to get caught up with people who keep buying the next best thing but you have to realize there is always something better at whatever you think you want your car to be good at. I think bringing an oddity to "normal" crowds gets me the attention that seems to drive us all and gives me the challenge of treading automotive water. If you are a bad swimmer, pick an easy car. If you enjoy a little suspense, make things difficult. I would love a easy car but I have to make room for both in my life before that happens. Having a second car changed my automotive life years ago and hopefully I can turn that corner where I simply have a place to keep my fleet in.
To hang with big engine big turbo TX2k type players, you really need more money then anyone here has. No matter the platform you will play catchup. If you do find a cheap way to hang with them, they will not want to play with you. Who here thinks the guy in the Ferrari wants to hi five the DSM that beat him in some online video? Why would people with modified lambos etc be any different? I think those cars are fun to watch and I try to keep it to that in my head. Oh its hard to control that envious I wanna beat them nature! After seeing some of those cars crash at Mile events (especially after certain people refused to attend the Texas event thanks to its poor track surface and conditions) it seems fool hardy unless you can afford to lose your car and pay someone else to drive it and can live with guilt. I would love to see Top Fuel run the full 1320 but the moment someone died we might all wish we did not get our way.

On the intake manifold thing, it seems difficult to fit a second rail on a mitsu style lower intake manifold! Chrysler, not so much.

BTW, I just think that easy to find and cheap is something that no platform ever has for long. At first supply is huge, prices are high because of high demand. Eventually you are back to high prices, low supply, low demand. Easy to find parts are almost always expensive except for when inventory has been deemed expendable. Try finding a cheap holset these days. Its not easy like it was. Unless you find a hookup you are probably better off with something else. I regret using mine even though it was free. I like challenges but that project car was supposed to be challenge free.

----------Does it seem a little crazy for anyone that guys in B.C. would actually have vehicles at SDAC? I have a hard time picturing myself making that trip.

[Irocelectric93]

And Brent chimes in to brings us all back to earth

[RoadWarrior222]

So.... LS1 swap?

[shayne]

sdac may be a bit far for most in the pnw, but sleazattle isnt that far down the I5 from us. come up for a street legal drag at mission raceway, with a bunch of locals, and enjoy the sights and places around vancouver (maybe whistler) with your family and make a nice trip of it. just sayin'
a friend of mine has agreed to a grudge match at mission this summer in his 2012 merc c63 coupe, bone stock, but brutally quick. nothing wrong with wanting to play with the "big boy" cars. and truthfully i think most would be lying if they said they werent a bit jealous of the nicer car, helping them to make a cheaper "disposable" econocar from the 80's or 90's a much faster car at the expense of comfort or stability or...

[RoadWarrior222]

.. sanity.

[shayne]

says the man who could be seen as clinically unstable.... (id say eccentric but i dont think your wealthy enough for that yet) lol.

[Sundance 6g72]

Brent, totally understand. The reason for the conquest is that it's RWD. In the end that not such a huge deal BUT i think they look better and they still have all the suspension options available.

right now im at the point where i need to think reality and that reality is a new shell for my motor. MY shell has seen every michigan winter EXCEPT for this current winter. I figure that if im changing shells, why not do something bad ---. RWD 450hp conquest powered by a 12valve 3.0? It has not been done, at least not documented. They have a dohc twin turbo in a quest but not a 12valve.. and its an automatic.

The suby front strut conversion is cool but a BC coilover setup would be better in my opinion. More money but def worth it and rebuildable.

i agree 100% but im not paying $1200 for a strut setup on a car i might not have around for much longer. I can find decent subi front coilovers on the cheep.



on a side note, the video i posted was from a while ago, it think the car sounds great The forester wanted to run me.. not sure why because the black wrx creamed him and i creamed the black wrx even worse.

[Irocelectric93]

Yeah anything "better" is only that way because it costs more at least usually. Quests are super cool cars and yes they are old but really when you want to do something cool you have to take risks and adapt and sometimes that means custom parts or whatever. That being said you are seeing a ton of "old muscle" that is swapping to newer parts. Good grief i'm subscribed to popular hotrodding and my gosh if i had a dollar for every LS swap. There are the guys that do things differently but they don't seem to get as much attention because its not all "bling bling" or whatever. Really an Omni would be awesome minus all the challenges it brings, but in all honesty i'd like to see you nab another shadow and do it DJ style but with a mean 12v 6g72 under the hood. And yes your car sounded awesome. Much better than my SRT-4 which everyone always goes on about how good they sound. Oh and RW...keep up the awesome one line posts.