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Thread: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    No worries, i can get big throttle bodys from the junkyard for cheep lol

    The 40 is to good a price to pass up. My buddy just got a h1c for $400.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    im curious if dohc crank pulleys work on our motor.. i dont see why not? Why would the oem make two different pullyes.

    http://www.3sx.com/store/comersus_vi...?idProduct=916

    if we can use these, i wonder why noone thought of it. maybe it wont clear some of the factory things that bolt to the motor. from the pictures it looks like it might fit, it should at least attach


    edit: they have a sohc option... i think i just found us a new option.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    No we can't use a DOHC pulley on our motor..I tried. Nothing lines up.

    ---------- Post added at 01:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:05 PM ----------

    I also tried to run a DOHC and 24v SOHC timing setup on our motor...same problem.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    i edited my post, they have sohc (assuming 12valve motor, they specialize in the 3s cars)

    they also have fuel rails.. im sure those will work on the 12valve lower intakes that came in the stealth.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    Interesting..maybe someday when i have money to burn.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    tempting to try it out but i still have a turbo and injectors to pay for.. and then a clutch (potentialy, aka most likely), then maybe fueling issues so that means a fuel cell and inline pump because i dont want to dump money into turbododge specific parts.. the goal is to be able to take the motor and everything else that cost money and use it in a different project when that time comes.

    that being said, i wonder how far a single walbro will go on e85...

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    Here is a chart for you...

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    i always thought the 040 flowed more than the 255.. either way i guess i could hit 450whp with the wally but should stop there.. if i make it there.

    i think i will.. 3sx pushed one of their awd cars over 700whp on a stock bottom end.. i cant emagine their stock pistons got much more love than ours. just cant be a derp derp herp derp when it comes to keeping the motor happy.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    I would go with a Walbro 400 if I was planning on making more than 400hp. Just Saying... (Especially if you have one of the awesome Ebay knockoffs.)

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    and the 3s people have the luxury of low comprisson to keep detonation down too though either way we know these motors will take allot as long as you stay away from knock

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    Their compression is slightly less than mine but thats beside the point, im running e85. If anything i should be running higher compression. There are 11:1 supras running e85 and lots of boost on big turbos with zero detonation.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    all those cars have very good tunes so just keep your tune good and you should be fine luckily you have ms so that gets easier with that

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    i use a aeromotive 340lph in my tank and i adapted it to the stock sending unit adding -6an supply and return. no need for a cell yet, plus a aeromotive pump isnt much money and they are all checked in house before they go out to customers. walbro pumps seem to be all chinese made now, but maybe im wrong.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    If you give the valves plenty of room to breathe, deshroud them huge, when you get the head done, the compression might drop a bit. Not sure if I'm remembering right for head volume but I've got the figure of 48cc in my head, and I figure after you've deshrouded, de-edged and heart shaped them you'll have lost 6cc of metal at least. Think that takes you down to about 9.2 from 9.8 ... buuuut... it's been a while since I last looked at that, so could be remembering the figures wrong.
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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    Like i said, im not worried about compression


    Quote Originally Posted by shayne View Post
    i use a aeromotive 340lph in my tank and i adapted it to the stock sending unit adding -6an supply and return. no need for a cell yet, plus a aeromotive pump isnt much money and they are all checked in house before they go out to customers. walbro pumps seem to be all chinese made now, but maybe im wrong.
    I might go after one of their external pumps and a furl cell. Staying as universal as possible.. plus my gas tank/sending unit is a pos

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    if your set on a fuel cell and an external pump, i'd be more on the side of saying that you pick up a bosch 044 pump. you will find thousands of big hp guys swear by them. big flow and oem reliability which is always nice.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    Ill make sure to take a look at them. Im hoping my current pump will do me right so i dont have to make that kind of a purchase.

    Pump, lines, fuel cell, filter(s), and mine as well try the 3sx rails. Big money

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    I would just keep walbro in tank and 044 inline, stock tank etc. Thats good for everything you need and more. I don't think I like the fuel pump chart above because it seems more like a guess. By guess I mean applying math but making up the constants out of a guess.
    It has to be applied and it has to reflect real life boost pressures that are applied etc. I don't buy the BSFC differences. Fuel pumps can't support as much power on turbo motors because of the higher pressure in the inlet manifold, not because of some ridiculous BSFC difference.

    I think the He Holsets are great but if you can rev high then a small turbine makes less sense. Give up 300-500rpms of low end for big results on the top if you can rev to 8k.
    HX40 with a 60mm compressor is nice as it has a larger turbine wheel. Porting out the turbine housing in a very aggresive way it what I would do but its not for everyone. I did that on Bansheenut's DSM style housing because research showed there was a lot to gain on his wheel.


    Mitsu crank pulleys have integrated harmonic dampners and if you get a lightweight pulley, no damper. Not something I would suggest on a cast crank or ANY high power 6g72. Our motors have better crank pulley setups with that big old damper on there compared to pure mitsu imo.

    BTW I don't know anything about MS Pro except what I just googled. I had thoughts of going AEM v2 for knock reasons as well as traction control but it doesn't have great traction control options. Basically hard to justify the extra expense. Still not sure I need anything beyond MS2 for most things unless I really need sequential or want the datalogging sd card and usb upgrade.
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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    I would just keep walbro in tank and 044 inline, stock tank etc. Thats good for everything you need and more. I don't think I like the fuel pump chart above because it seems more like a guess. By guess I mean applying math but making up the constants out of a guess.
    It has to be applied and it has to reflect real life boost pressures that are applied etc. I don't buy the BSFC differences. Fuel pumps can't support as much power on turbo motors because of the higher pressure in the inlet manifold, not because of some ridiculous BSFC difference.
    Agreed, however, i dont think i should stick with my gastank for ever.. its not exactly in stallar condition. Point being, a cell can be moved from car to car so it will get its moneys worth.

    I also dont know why a insline pump helps a intank pump flow more fuel but i do know that it works REALLY well..

    I think the He Holsets are great but if you can rev high then a small turbine makes less sense. Give up 300-500rpms of low end for big results on the top if you can rev to 8k.
    HX40 with a 60mm compressor is nice as it has a larger turbine wheel. Porting out the turbine housing in a very aggresive way it what I would do but its not for everyone. I did that on Bansheenut's DSM style housing because research showed there was a lot to gain on his wheel.
    how high do you think ill be able to rev with the 270 cams? No head porting. I havnt looked at the hx40 yet (its in chicago) but i will once he gets his car back from Strictly Modified. He says it has a BEP housing, and maybe the .60ar housing..........

    Mitsu crank pulleys have integrated harmonic dampners and if you get a lightweight pulley, no damper. Not something I would suggest on a cast crank or ANY high power 6g72. Our motors have better crank pulley setups with that big old damper on there compared to pure mitsu imo.
    i did think about it this but then i also thought, what if the entire rotating assembly is balanced, including the pully? Would this be an exception for a fresh motor? Either way im not too worried about it.

    BTW I don't know anything about MS Pro except what I just googled. I had thoughts of going AEM v2 for knock reasons as well as traction control but it doesn't have great traction control options. Basically hard to justify the extra expense. Still not sure I need anything beyond MS2 for most things unless I really need sequential or want the datalogging sd card and usb upgrade
    from what I can tell, MSPRO is the new flagship ecu that is more about having everything rather than the end user adding what he or she wants by soldering and such. its in a sealed case and has TONS of inputs and outputs. itl drive a 10cyl with sequential fuel fresh out of the box. I like that it has al the fun stuff built in so i can finally take advantage of any ignition setup i want, whenever I want OR it will drop right into an Eclipse, or a 3000gt, or a gtr for all i care. I wouldnt mind spending $1300 if i had it for a nice ecu that I already know my way around. Its over twice as much as my msII cost me but it has over twice as much built in. Its not for everyone, especially on this site BUT its pretty future proof from what I can tell. Im all about that.

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    Re: Sundance 6g72 "3.0 turbo build thread"(N/A DYNO SHEET pics inside)

    i love it when i read something about a product i didnt even know exhisted, i just checked out the mspro and i gotta say it looks pretty cool. i want to upgrade to a full standalone, and ive been hunting down good options, and this is a gamechanger. i think it'd be a great option for a lot of folks, that want to get away from the factory computer setup.
    as far as i read it will support 12 injectors, which would be nice because you could theoretically run smaller injectors to tune a nice idle and below boost drivability and milage, and have the other drivers run the big boy 90#+ injectors for all the fuel you need in boost for more power than most 6g72's could take. welding aluminum injector bungs would be pretty easy on most intakes, and you can mount them further away from the valve to allow the much larger amount of fuel to atomize... lots of ideas.

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