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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by Juggy View Post
    awesome, you the man! now get me some TIII head chop pics n ill be really impressed

    so im guessing there isnt much meat to work with on the TIII head? as he is saying there is lots to play with on the swirl head......I have a ported swirly here I had raised the roof on. each port roof has a different angle leading into the bowl, as I was trying to guessimate or "laser eye" a nice angle to get it done, without breaking through! lol. I was very pleased with the swirl head afterwards. I thought I had the port looking better then a G head one (or very similar) combine that with the swirl chamber and it should work nice
    I'll post pics of the TIII head later,

    There is more meat on the swirl head than the TIII valve head, but we were using a Dunn casting, which is thinner than the production casting.
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Pics as promised. I bought this head all welded up, then after numerous attempts by my local head shop, still wouldn't seal and as you can see by the arrows, it was still badly cracked even after all that,








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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    I can't wait to boost flow the 655 head, giddy up,
    Huh?

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by puppet View Post
    Huh?
    Its a PRESSURE flow bench, so he can run BOOST thru ports,
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Its a PRESSURE flow bench, so he can run BOOST thru ports,
    I had thought he was using the blower to produce a greater depression. ... trying to simulate a running engine to see the effects of that on a ports flow vs turbulence ... calculating backward to better determine rpm/lift points as it relates to a specific heads port/runner shapes.

    The blowing through confuses me. Maybe more info on the test set-up/mechanics behind it? Don't see what blowing additional cfm through a port means by itself .. other than coming to the same conclusions a regular bench would show?

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by puppet View Post
    I had thought he was using the blower to produce a greater depression. ... trying to simulate a running engine to see the effects of that on a ports flow vs turbulence ... calculating backward to better determine rpm/lift points as it relates to a specific heads port/runner shapes.

    The blowing through confuses me. Maybe more info on the test set-up/mechanics behind it? Don't see what blowing additional cfm through a port means by itself .. other than coming to the same conclusions a regular bench would show?
    He can simulate actual boost thru the port, see post 1, link to his machine.

    A regular flowbench sucks, literally,
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post

    A regular flowbench sucks, literally,
    If the operator knows how to use his/her ears as well as his/her eyes, a regular flow bench is all that's needed.

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    If the operator knows how to use his/her ears as well as his/her eyes, a regular flow bench is all that's needed.
    Yes and no, the boosted bench can give up stuff that a flowbench can't. Eitherway, its a tool, if you can't use it, then it doesn't matter if it sucks or blows.
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    He can simulate actual boost thru the port, see post 1, link to his machine.
    I saw bench ... thought test procedures were other than "blowing into ports" to simulate "increased cfm".

    Might be helpful if we start looking at FI in lb/hr (mass) vs cfm (volume)?
    A FI cylinder doesn't process twice the cfm (volume) @2BAR .. it processes twice the mass. How does his rig duplicate that?

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by puppet View Post
    I saw bench ... thought test procedures were other than "blowing into ports" to simulate "increased cfm".

    Might be helpful if we start looking at FI in lb/hr (mass) vs cfm (volume)?
    A FI cylinder doesn't process twice the cfm (volume) @2BAR .. it processes twice the mass. How does his rig duplicate that?
    Not sure, but I'll see how it all works when I get my TIII head back,
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quick update, he's almost done, had to make me new valve guides, cheaper than buying new OEM ones,

    Port close to being finished-



    stock intake, .100-.500- 96.2, 175.5, 227.6, 243.5, 246.2
    stock exhaust, 56.4, 126.8, 168.4, 191.6, 203.5

    ported intake, .100-.500- 97.6, 180.0, 237.3, 260.1, 274.8
    ported exhaust, 68.7, 140.2, 181.3, 204.5, 220.0

    ported with a valve job, intake, .100-.600-96.6, 186.8, 244.8, 268.6, 277.2, 280.0
    exhaust with valve job, 75.6, 151.2, 196.7, 218.2, 230.3, 239.5

    Should do alright, should be alot of fun.
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    I like this format when viewing head flow.

    Intake
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 96.2 / 97.6 - 1.5%
    .200 - 175.5 / 180.0 - 2.5%
    .300 - 227.6 / 244.8 - 7.5%
    .400 - 243.5 / 260.1 - 6.8%
    .500 - 246.2 / 274.8 - 11.6%

    Exhaust
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 56.4 / 68.7 - 21.8%
    .200 - 126.8 / 140.2 - 10.5%
    .300 - 168.4 / 181.3 - 7.6%
    .400 - 191.6 / 204.5 - 6.7%
    .500 - 203.5 / 220.0 - 8.1%

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Did you chop that Magnum head yet?
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2
    I like this format when viewing head flow.

    Intake
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 96.2 / 97.6 - 1.5%
    .200 - 175.5 / 180.0 - 2.5%
    .300 - 227.6 / 244.8 - 7.5%
    .400 - 243.5 / 260.1 - 6.8%
    .500 - 246.2 / 274.8 - 11.6%

    Exhaust
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 56.4 / 68.7 - 21.8%
    .200 - 126.8 / 140.2 - 10.5%
    .300 - 168.4 / 181.3 - 7.6%
    .400 - 191.6 / 204.5 - 6.7%
    .500 - 203.5 / 220.0 - 8.1%
    Me too, but I am lazy, and you did it for me,

    Quote Originally Posted by boost geek
    Did you chop that Magnum head yet?
    I think he did, he'll be around in the next few days.
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 View Post
    I like this format when viewing head flow.

    Intake
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 96.2 / 97.6 - 1.5%
    .200 - 175.5 / 180.0 - 2.5%
    .300 - 227.6 / 244.8 - 7.5%
    .400 - 243.5 / 260.1 - 6.8%
    .500 - 246.2 / 274.8 - 11.6%

    Exhaust
    Lift - Stock / Ported - % increase
    .100 - 56.4 / 68.7 - 21.8%
    .200 - 126.8 / 140.2 - 10.5%
    .300 - 168.4 / 181.3 - 7.6%
    .400 - 191.6 / 204.5 - 6.7%
    .500 - 203.5 / 220.0 - 8.1%
    now do it with the valve job!!! LOL

    simon how many angle valve job??? the one guy i was working with used a 5 angle....but the guy who did my T3 head im pretty sure is just a 3 angle....i dont know what stock is lol

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    I would assume 5 angle, stock is 2 angle,
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    then after numerous attempts by my local head shop
    Well there's yer problem, shoulda taken it to a machinist rather than your local stoner supply emporium.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    If the operator knows how to use his/her ears as well as his/her eyes, a regular flow bench is all that's needed.
    Not really, higher speeds and densities can have odd and counter-intuitive effects on flow. Of course it could be done by just taking a wild arsed guess, but that's not much better than porting N/A without a conventional bench.


    Quote Originally Posted by Juggy View Post
    simon how many angle valve job??? the one guy i was working with used a 5 angle....but the guy who did my T3 head im pretty sure is just a 3 angle....i dont know what stock is lol
    Well there's some guys swear by magic angles and there's some guys say get as many angles as possible... but from what I've seen "running the math" is that a surface has to be pretty broad, on the order of a quarter inch or more, for flow to attach to it properly, so I wonder if the magic angle guys aren't closer than the multi angle ones.... and if you figure that flow is gonna stay attached to something more approximating a smooth curve... you'd be right...for a fairly large radius..... fact is, it's detaching way back up the port, because there just ain't room for a curve like that in most heads.... by time it gets to the valve it's a case of picking the best shove, trip or pull that will get your crowd of angry drunks individually out the door of the bar in the fastest manner, rather than standing there trying to gently persuade them.


    On the "it won't show any gains unless it's matched to headers and manifold" POV.... 9 times out of 10 it will show some good gains I would think, although maybe half it's potential when these components are optimised... the 10th time is when it's ported specifically for a high lift long duration race cam that it hasn't got yet.... done to support stock to street/race cams, it should show gains on the stocker.
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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Id like to see some #'s on 8 valve stuff

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    Re: Fullly ported TIII heads and 8 valve heads-looking to offer with dyno proof!

    Quote Originally Posted by Badger View Post
    Id like to see some #'s on 8 valve stuff
    Ya, get to it!
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