Should they be allowed to sell here?

[Frank]

Well folks, I don't know how to handle this but this way. There has been some mistrust, bad dealings, and instead of trying to waste a lot of time trying to figure it out, I will just put up a poll. It may or may not be obvious to some who is at more fault than the other.

Thanks,
Frank

[johnl]

I have no knowledge of these sellers, just would add that some sites don't allow sales until a minimum number of posts . . . . .?

[Spycker]

no to both

[Spr-T-23]

i thought that we were trying to mend things? now i havent been arround long enough to judge, but give them one chance to make things rught atleast. dont just throw them under the bus

[ShelbyLancer282]

Forgive and forget man past is just that the past. Stop holding grudges. everyone deserve a second chance, and mnt clearly trying to make amends.

[omni_840]

I would say the same but, it seems like more people are coming out of the woodwork with issues......I say make all the wrongs, right

[turbovanman²]

You should link to the threads, but yeah, it doesn't look good.

i thought that we were trying to mend things? now i havent been arround long enough to judge, but give them one chance to make things rught atleast. dont just throw them under the bus

This has nothing to do with that, bad sellers are bad sellers.

[Frank]

i thought that we were trying to mend things? now i havent been arround long enough to judge, but give them one chance to make things rught atleast. dont just throw them under the bus

Forgive and forget man past is just that the past. Stop holding grudges. everyone deserve a second chance, and mnt clearly trying to make amends.

I would say the same but, it seems like more people are coming out of the woodwork with issues......I say make all the wrongs, right

Hard to say until we have more feedback, and you should link to the threads.



This has nothing to do with that, bad sellers are bad sellers.

We have a strict policy against bad sellers. When it is questionable or things are appropriately being resolved we have always done a poll to allow the members to decide when they are ready. A lot of people are coming out saying they are displeased, so I am displeased. Don't be fooled that unbanning TD accounts is the solution to bad deals. They should have never been banned in the first place.

[turbovanman²]

We have a strict policy against bad sellers. When it is questionable or things are appropriately being resolved we have always done a poll to allow the members to decide when they are ready. A lot of people are coming out saying they are displeased, so I am displeased. Don't be fooled that unbanning TD accounts is the solution to bad deals. They should have never been banned in the first place.

I agree and was going to edit my post, I still will.

[midnighttoker]

first of all,i didnt ban everyone that is/was banned.this peace offering was in discussion long before the thread on me happened.we all drive dodge turbo cars,just because were 2 different forums doesnt mean we can co-exist,am i right or wrong? ask the new owner,i talked to him about allowing unbanned members back,allowing TM and TU to be mentioned again,and without an automatic ban for saying it.i personally talked to him on the phone and explained the whole TD/TM thing and told him it would be a good idea to make amends and forget the past,give even the ones who caused trouble a second chance to come back to TD

[Frank]

The peace offering was coincidental. The conversations with the new owners started back in November of last year with some phone calls.

All I am doing, which is fair, is allowing the members to decide. There has been too much drama and mis-trust with the two of you that this forum cannot afford.

[bradp]

I think just baout everyone deserves another chance.

[2.216VTurbo]

How about we do a six month suspension on selling parts? If these two members wish to be a contributing part of this forum and can make nice for six months, give them another chance. I'm not sure if them not being able to sell parts here would even be a hardship, certainly with Ebay and CL etc there are other opportunities to hawk 20 year old parts.

[87DaytonaPac]

They both have TD to do their selling on. There is no loss to them not being able to sell here.

[glhs727]

I don't think they need to be banned from selling altogether. I know both and I doubt they deliberately tried to rip people off. I think if their buyers want a refund, they should issue a refund. A temp suspension from selling might work, if that doesn't happen. I think there were several issues, all having to do with too many people involved. examples:
1st- the wheels. Tony selling them on behalf of someone else. Money gets paid but no wheels. Tony didn't steal any money, but he brokered the deal so he does have some culpibility. It doesn't make him a theif, but at the very least, there should be a rule that you DO NOT SELL on behalf of another unless you are willing to make good on any bad dealing. Make sure you know who you are selling for! It's your reputation if the deal goes bad.
2nd. Letting someone else pull a part, expecting it to be in the condition you sold it. When he sold Martin the steering column, it was under the understanding that the wiring be intact. If he trusted woodwoodpecker to pull it, woody should have made sure it was done right, or at least told Tony so he could tell the customer before it was shipped. It is a lame excuse to say, "well it was only 3 wires". If you are going to sell a part you didn't take out yourself, it should be inspected thoroughly to make sure want you send is right. If not, the customer should be refunded.
The steering wheel? IDK... it looked pretty rough, and def. not in mint condition, not even in good condition. IDK what to make of that...

I think want is really needed is a trader rating system. I have used it on several forums, and for the most part it works good. And it also allows bad delaings to get reported and listed so the collective can see what happened and make up their own mind on future dealings.

I think now that both MNT and woody have been called out, and now they should clearly understand the expectations of the other forum members in any future dealings. So i say take care of the previous issues, even if means giving the money back, and be allowed to continue selling under the above guidelines. If future dealings go bad, then they should be dealt with like any other bad dealers/dealings.
later,
Cindy

[omni_840]

Wasn't these deals done on TD?

[cordes]

All of my early internet deals were done on ARFCOM. They now have thousands of transactions per day with VERY few problems. I'll post their rules for others to see where I'm coming from. Note that when they say account may be suspended, or account may be locked they actually mean your account in the EE will be terminated or you will be given no quarter. As a result 99.99% of us would go to the ends of the earth to keep our good name.

While they have logistical rules which we need not concern ourselves with I agree with the heart and intent of their rules.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=301

In case folks haven't picked up on which way I've voted,

No quarter.

"A man's character is his fate."
-Heraclitus

[BadAssPerformance]

Wasn't these deals done on TD?

Sometimes when a deal is done on TD and someone gets banned there they come here to give feedback on the deal.

We are a small community so cross-forum feedback is not a bad thing if it:

A - Improves transactions between folks in our community
B - Warns everyone of possible issues

[turbovanman²]

13. Do NOT delete the original title, ad text or asking price. Leaving the ad in place after you sell, trade, or just plain decide to keep the item(s) is protection for both the buyer and seller, and also acts as a price reference for others. Edit the title and text of the ad to add "SOLD" or "TRADED", while retaining the ad text and title.

This should be mandatory or something similar.

[wm23n1]

I voted yes to midnighttoker simply because he was the only Mod over there who was nice to me when I would post my opinion. Now that the war is over it is time to forgive, but not forget. WE WON. They are the ones wanting to make amends. We will accept and let it be. I don't know anything about 88wdywoodpecker .