Turbo Mopar with aggressive Stance/Wheel Fitment

[Opticon]

Well, The omni is low but the stance isn't perfect just yet (a tad sunken and not aligned yet). So I'll leave you with a pics of my daily beater....

[Johnny]

i looked all through this thread hoping to see a station wagon with SRT4 wheels. To see how it looked…..

[cordes]

i looked all through this thread hoping to see a station wagon with SRT4 wheels. To see how it looked…..

There were pics of one on here at one time I believe.

[Nemesismachine]

Steve's LSR should be in here, that thing is SLAMMED.

[Ondonti]

Do they come with angle cut washers? Seems to me the bolts wouldn't seat correctly. Or is it so minute it doesn't really effect it?

The engineers won't say anything about it BECAUSE they don't want to do the math and actually know for sure if all the cars out there are about to fall apart.

I think I should get a picture of my Duster and its positive camber that I put in to help the terrible rims I have fit for an attempted track pass.

[rbryant]

The engineers won't say anything about it BECAUSE they don't want to do the math and actually know for sure if all the cars out there are about to fall apart.

I think I should get a picture of my Duster and its positive camber that I put in to help the terrible rims I have fit for an attempted track pass.

I disagree good engineers love math and figuring out how well things work.

They just don't like to publish and explain it to people without a math background because it is usually futile.

-Rich

[85boostbox]

^This... I have a engineering aspect on everything. Engineering is about math and science though.

[Reaper1]

I am an engineer. I work around engineers all day. I know engineers that are in product development, experimental development, production support, ect. Most of them HATE doing math unless they really have to. Yeah, we like knowing how things work and why. Yeah, we need to make sure the things we design are safe. Yeah, we need to understand what the results mean and how to use them. However, most of the time, if we can get away with it, we use the simplest way to analyze what is going on.

The people that like math are theoretical physicists, mathematical analyicits, and programmers. Engineers use what those guys come up with. We just have to know that whatever the numbers that are spit out are right, how to check them, and how to use them.

To answer the question, no, the shims do not come with tapered washers or self centering washers. You could use them if you'd like, and yes, that will distribute the loads more evenly, however the factor of safety built into the design should take into account this type of situation. Having said that, if you go and do something extreme like these *stance* guys, then yes, I would highly recommend using some sort of hardware to prevent uneven loading of the fasteners and the backing plate.

[Ondonti]

Engineers are one of the most trusted professions. I deal with a few engineers I trust and others who seem to have no idea how anything works.

I don't know how many degrees of adjustment those shims have but for an average alignment the crookedness of those fasteners would be acceptable without needing engineering help. 1.5 degrees of negative camber is not even worth noting. I would say you could go a lot more then that before its a big deal.

[Reaper1]

Engineers are one of the most trusted professions. I deal with a few engineers I trust and others who seem to have no idea how anything works.

I don't know how many degrees of adjustment those shims have but for an average alignment the crookedness of those fasteners would be acceptable without needing engineering help. 1.5 degrees of negative camber is not even worth noting. I would say you could go a lot more then that before its a big deal.

^Agreed!

I think the max adjustment is around 1.5-2 degrees for those shims.

I've said this before, having a bunch of negative camber in the rear of our cars is mostly pointless. Unless the car is doglegging, the rear axle stays parallel to the ground on a smooth surface like you will find at most road courses and autocross events. That means that the only change in camber will be from tire squirm, wheel/hub deflection, doglegging, or on a rough surface.

In my personal experience I have never seen scrubbing on the rear tires that would indicate they needed more negative camber. I run around -0.5, maybe -1. Toe is a much more important adjustment for our cars as that has a direct correlation to the stability of the car.

Now, if you are trying to reduce rolling resistance by reducing contact patch...yeah, increasing camber could help, but running narrower tires or increasing the air pressure are better and easier options IMHO.

[Fox]

csx springs and formula gp shocks and struts. converted to 5x114.3 in the front with 94 shadow knuckles and caravan brakes and disks
front wheels are 16" +33 8 inch wide (1.5" lip - 6.5" barrel )
rear wheels are 16" +20.32 8 inch wide ( 2" lip - 6" barrel ) with 15mm spacer/ adapters to get the 5x114 lug pattern in the rear
tires are 205 45 r16 noble sport, and wheels are bbs rs 001 3pc

[OmniLuvr]

that looks awesome with those wheels!

[cordes]

Do you think a 225 width tire would fit without rubbing?

[Fox]

yes if you limited the suspension from bottoming out with stiffer springs it wouldnt be so bad,

as it is in the front my rim comes less than 1/2" from the strut and pokes out past the fender a tiny bit, but doesnt rub with the 205 tire. so it might look a little weird but i think i might be able to run a 225 or 235 even but the fender wouldn't cover all the tire

for the rear i would recommend running a a 20 or 25 offset 8" wide rim with no spacers, im only using a spacer to convert the lug pattern and it puts the wheel pretty far out, with that 15-20mm more clearance it should clear the rear without folding over the fender seam, witch is currently where mine rubs since its unmodified

[OmniPotentGLH]

Fox, I love your car man

[jayspartanburg]

Why yes, yes I did bump a old thread. 89 TC with air bags and 1st gen Neon struts up front and chopped springs out back.

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[Vigo]

Is that current Jay? I always liked that you were slamming a TC. Needs the right wheels to finish it. I personally want a red TC to put some gold BBS/mesh style wheels on.

I suffer a truly depressing lack of pics of this that i really need to rectify, but i recently put together my Rampage for the $2017 GRM Challenge and it has pretty aggressive wheel fitment.




Also pictured, my lowered B250 van.

[Dr. Johny Dodge]

vigo if you haven't googled Dajiban yet you need to..


/www.youtube.com/watch?v=7U2BC5sOltU - there is 2 or 3 vids on this

[Vigo]

Oh, i have.. believe me. I'm a sucker for bad ideas!!

Here's me wearing a Dajiban shirt in front of my van.



And.. here's a better shot of the Rampage.