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    Turbo Trouble Shooting Article

    TROUBLE SHOOTING

    SMOKING EXHAUST:

    There are many things that could cause your exhaust to smoke.
    Our objective with this article is to assist enthusiasts in diagnosing
    and resolving the actual problem quickly rather then going through an expensive
    and time consuming “process of elimination” method to resolve the issue.
    We hope the information in this guide sheds some light on possible sources
    of the oil, causes of the oil’s introduction in to the exhaust system and
    finally, the solutions available to correct the issues.

    Whether your turbo is new, rebuilt or has been on your car for a while,
    here are just a few solutions to some common problems which might save you the
    trouble of pulling the turbo off only to have the same problem after it has
    been replaced:

    #1
    Existing oil in exhaust system still burning off from previous turbo
    failure.

    Many times when turbochargers fail they dump considerable amounts of
    oil in the exhaust system. You can try to flush it out or continue
    to run the car until the smoke disappears, but, this can take days.
    Plan on replacing your catalytic converter soon because burnt oil will
    quickly restrict air flow impeding performance. This can quickly lead
    to other problems down the road including turbo failure.

    #2
    Smoke is present at Cold Start Up

    If your engine smokes immediately after a cold start the problem is most likely
    not the turbo. The only place hot enough to turn oil into smoke during a cold
    start is the combustion chamber. You need to focus on the intake valve seals,
    guides or piston rings as the source of your oil. Check your spark plugs and
    intercooler hoses for signs of oil also. Complete a compression and leak down test
    to determine the overall condition of your engine.

    #3
    Exhaust Valve Guides or Seals

    If the spark plugs are clean and the exhaust does not smoke until after the vehicle
    is warmed up the source of the oil may be the exhaust valve guides/seals. We have
    seen several incidents where the guides/seals were improperly machined on freshly
    built cylinder heads. Don't discount this possibility just because your cylinder
    head was recently rebuilt.

    #4
    Oil or blow-by pressure build up in Turbo Bearing Housing.

    Turbo oil seals are usually made of carbon and, much like a single piston seal,
    there is a gap that oil can seep through when pressure is present. Pressure
    build up can be caused by one or more of the following reasons:

    a) Blockage in drainback hose/tube.

    Verify there are no foreign objects in the drainback hose/tube.
    This could be the paper towel or duct tape you placed there during the
    removal of your original turbo to prevent debris from falling in to your
    oil pan during the swap.


    b) Using wrong type of drainback hose.

    Not using the factory silicon drainback hose is a common mistake. Silicon
    hoses are heat and oil resistant where most standard heater hoses cannot
    withstand these extreme conditions for very long. Most standard hoses
    are actually 2-3 hoses separated by braided nylon. When
    this is used in place of the silicon hose the nylon can actually shrink
    when exposed to heat restricting the inner hose while leaving the exterior
    hose looking perfect from the outside. Use the factory orange silicon hose
    whenever possible or one of our blue silicon replacement hoses. There are
    no advantages to using any other type of hoses for this application. Turbo
    removal not required. Once issue is addressed piston seals should reseat
    on their own and oil seepage will no longer be a problem.

    c) Oil return flange gasket issues

    This is a “dry” gasket so do not use RTV on it. Even the slightest bit that
    may get squeezed into the flow of the return oil will impede the gravitational
    flow of oil back into your oil pan. Oil pressure will build up in the turbo bearing
    housing to the point where oil is pushed past the seals. Remove all RTV from the
    area and replace the gasket. Seals will reseat on their own.

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    d) Wrong oil drainback line angle.

    Turbo oil drainback is powered only by gravity. Angles in excess of 20
    degrees will impede oil return flow and pressure build up in the bearing
    housing may result. Also be sure to maintain a smooth curve from turbo to
    engine and prevent any kinks in the line which may cause a back-up and
    eventual pressurization of the bearing housing.

    e) Oil feedline pressure exceeds drainback tube capabilities.

    Verify oil pressure is not excessive. 60 PSI at idle for a
    warmed up engine is WAY too much. 10psi per 1000 RPM is a good rule of
    thumb. Any more pressure is robbing your engine of HP. Too much oil can
    pressurize the turbo bearing housing if the gravity fed drainback cannot
    keep up. This pressurization will force the oil past the turbine shaft
    piston seals and into the exhaust or compressor side of the turbo. Over
    time, too much pressure can actually be harmful to your entire engine.
    With excessive pressure, impurities in your oil can actually eat away at your
    bearing surfaces and increase tolerances much like extrude honing works.
    Don't use the MP Oil Pressure Relief Spring Kit or Mellings High
    Volume/Pressure oil pump. TU strongly advises against High V/P pumps.
    Turbo removal not required. Once issue is addressed piston seals should
    reseat on their own and oil seepage will no longer be a problem.

    f) Blow-by in crankcase caused by worn engine, cracked pistons,
    rings, faulty PVC systems, etc.

    Crank cases pressurized by blow-by can also cause oil to be forced past
    the turbine shaft piston seals. Complete a compression check and leakdown
    test to check the condition of your engine. There is also a blow-by
    detection tool which is placed over the oil cap opening while the engine
    is running and measures crank case pressures. Be sure to inspect your
    crank case evacuation system to make sure the issue is not being caused by
    a bad PCV valve. If you find your oil dipstick out of the tube a few inches
    after some spirited driving you are most likely experiencing blow-by.
    Once issue is addressed piston seals should reseat on their own and oil
    seepage will no longer be a problem.

    g) Chrysler Valve Cover Oil Baffle TSB

    There was a Chrysler TSB in the late 80’s pointing out that some Turbo Valve
    Cover oil baffles were not sealed properly. Oil was being drawn through the
    baffle from the bottom and being drawn into the PCV and air filtering system.
    Removing the VC baffle and resealing it with RTV resolved the problem.
    A few people have modified and installed a TBI VC inner cover which also helps
    reduce the chances that oil will be drawn into the PCV system.



    For some, the turbocharger is still the mysterious “black box”
    which isn’t fully understood. Because of this, it is usually looked upon first
    when exhaust smoke is present. As we pointed out in the above examples
    the turbo may be the source of the oil, but, in most cases it is only the
    result of the problem and not at fault. Once corrective actions are taken
    the issues can be resolved without the expense and labor of removing and
    replacing the turbocharger. This list is constantly growing and we will
    continue to add to it as we come across new issues and testing methods.
    Also, we strongly discourage decreasing or limiting the amount of oil
    pressure to the turbo in order to confirm that it is the source of oil.
    If the turbo wasn’t bad before the test it soon will be as metal-to-metal
    contact will take out a turbo in a matter of seconds.


    If you have any questions about the above information don’t hesitate to contact us.

    GOOD LUCK!
    Chris-TU
    602-76-BOOST
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