i stand corrected, i was not fully aware of that, good catch. thanks for the info.
i stand corrected, i was not fully aware of that, good catch. thanks for the info.
this is a very interesting post. In response to the initial questions on beefing up the hard parts why couldn't we strengthen the material that is already present. The hubs are steel, depending on the carbon content we could do any number of heat treatments to them to increase their strength. If someone can give me what carbon content the have ( in wt %) then I can give some inexpensive options to strengthening stock components. Another method is case hardening. We could introduce carbon or nitrogen into the outer layer of the material effectively making the parts stronger. If the steel is a medium carbon material then we can heat treat it making tempered martensite (really strong) and then finish it off with a case hardening. This would go for the planet gears as well, although they are probably case hardened already, making them tempered martensite would increase their internal strength and then redo the case hardening would make them bullet proof.
My questions,
Where can I get the Alto clutches for the 41 TE, and alos waht about increasing the number of clutches per pack? Are their kits for those? The reason I ask is for these caravans that pull trailers and boats and ruin their transmissions. I want to give them an option to rebuild them and allow them to continue their abuse and allow the transmissions to handle it.
Those types of treatments require that the parts be completely cleaned, no oil or residue on them, and only the all metal parts can be done. I know 300 Below Inc will do it at a very reasonable price, I had them cryo treat my axles.
Yes you can increase the number of clutches per pack. I think the Alto Red Eagle Power Pack increases the number of clutches... Looks like they changed their website around, catalog here: http://www.altousa.com/images/upload...og-AltoOEI.pdf
Man, i must have had a months-long memory problem, i was rereading my first few posts in this thread and thinking "uhhh theres a thermistor on the TRS and i knew that long before i wrote that i didnt know...."
oops.
Dont push the red button.You hear me?
Time to bring this thread back from the dead. This stuff got put on hold because I had more important things to devote my time and money to. Soon I'll have some of both for this.
I need to get a shopping list together.
1st off I need a new 41TE. I had a generous offer for a used one from someone on here before, but wasn't able to take advantage of that. I can't use PayPal anymore, so I need to buy from some place that will take my VISA directly. I think I'd like a new one if at all possible. Want to avoid a used one that already has wear and tear on it. I suppose a rebuilt one would be OK. IIRC the cases on these vary slightly between different vehicles. I know for sure the case is a bit different on a PT Cruiser compared to a Sebring/Stratus Sedan. I think the Minivan cases are different too. So I need one specifically for a Sebring/Stratus Sedan, a 2004-2006 would be nice. I'm having trouble locating one though. Anyone know where I can order one online? If not I guess I'll have to go to a local transmission shop and have them order one for me.
I know I had talked about trying to have some billet copies made of the hard parts, but I don't think I'm ready to go that far yet. My plan is to get a new 41TE, take it apart, and take all the parts down to 300 Below Inc to get cryo treated. I had them cryo treat my axles, and my axles have been holding up great. The transmission case cracked where the passenger side axle enters it, but the axle is unharmed. I figure putting all of the metal transmission parts through the same treatment should hopefully strengthen them to the same level it did for the axles.
Torque Converter will go off to Midwest converters to be beefed up. Need to decide if I want the same 4000 RPM stall speed I went with before, or if I want to lower that a little.
Next I will need to order the Alto Red Eagle clutches. I have had great success with those. Need to find a good place to get these from.
I also need a good LSD. I had the phantom grip crap in there before, never had issues with it, but I want to use a real LSD this time. I know it's supposed to be possible to put a Quaife into a 41TE, but I have no idea what model #, or what modifications are required to get it to fit/work. I think there may be a Peloquin or OBX option too, but again, don't know what model # for either brand or what modifications if any are needed to make them work. Anyone know?
Trans controller... I think it's time to go stand alone. I can't seem to find the PCS controller and plug-n-play harness that I know used to be out there. I know Megashift is also an option. Is there a plug-n-play harness available for the Megashift yet? Is it mature enough to fit my needs yet?
Last thing is a trans cooler. Need to figure out where I have room to mount one, and what size I can fit. Run it in-line with the stock cooler (after it, but before the trans) or bypass the stock cooler all together?
I hope to start buying parts no later than the beginning of May.
I can't find any info about Megashift newer than 2010. I think most people moved on. The one guy that had the omni running with it was on here at one time. My understanding on the PCS controller was that racerstev was using it as a total custom app and PCS didn't support it. I'm trying to figure out right now what it'd take to run the TCM on a older vehicle and rob was talking about cracking the 89 TCM to flash but that won't help you much with the NGC computers you have.
Hah, yeah, past 5 pages and 5 days, I don't remember what I said, anyone else said, anything that's been tried, etc etc.... now where were we, reman synchros?Originally Posted by Vigo
DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!
He wasn't the only one that had it though... Bummer if the Megashift has been abandoned.
My NGC isn't too much of an issue for me. I'm pretty sure I can tell it to ignore the transmission if I were to disconnect it, which should allow me to connect the transmission to a stand alone controller of my choice. I just don't have the ability to modify the stock transmission programming, so that's why I'm thinking stand alone. I can do pretty much anything with the engine controls, and I can even tell it I have a manual trans. :P
I was just thinking I need some more control to help keep things from breaking. I don't think adding the auto-stick was enough.
Honestly.. i think you'd be getting newer parts on AVERAGE if you bought a low-miles used trans, than a rebuilt one. Reason being, you can buy a used trans with 10, 20, 30k miles.. and ALL the parts have 30k miles on them, etc.Want to avoid a used one that already has wear and tear on it. I suppose a rebuilt one would be OK.
When you buy a rebuild, it's a trans that was rebuilt because it was already old enough to break once, and a rebuild does NOT replace all, or even most, of the parts in the transmission. So when you buy a rebuild there's a fair chance you're buying 30 or 40 parts that are brand new, and the other 150 have untold miles on them, possibly hundreds of thousands.
Dont push the red button.You hear me?
Looking at the GPIO forum the thread is dead and has been racerstev was going to try it out and sold his 41te and the other guy was still working on getting the GPIO board setup. ATM I'd rather go with a factory solution than try and R&D the megashift since no one is around to lend info on it. The PCS controller is 750 bucks and I didn't pay that much for the van or half the crap I've put on it so far.
Any low mileage trans should fit the bill, not sure where you could get a new case and if you could, it would be stupid money.Time to bring this thread back from the dead. This stuff got put on hold because I had more important things to devote my time and money to. Soon I'll have some of both for this.
I need to get a shopping list together.
1st off I need a new 41TE. I had a generous offer for a used one from someone on here before, but wasn't able to take advantage of that. I can't use PayPal anymore, so I need to buy from some place that will take my VISA directly. I think I'd like a new one if at all possible. Want to avoid a used one that already has wear and tear on it. I suppose a rebuilt one would be OK. IIRC the cases on these vary slightly between different vehicles. I know for sure the case is a bit different on a PT Cruiser compared to a Sebring/Stratus Sedan. I think the Minivan cases are different too. So I need one specifically for a Sebring/Stratus Sedan, a 2004-2006 would be nice. I'm having trouble locating one though. Anyone know where I can order one online? If not I guess I'll have to go to a local transmission shop and have them order one for me.
I know I had talked about trying to have some billet copies made of the hard parts, but I don't think I'm ready to go that far yet. My plan is to get a new 41TE, take it apart, and take all the parts down to 300 Below Inc to get cryo treated. I had them cryo treat my axles, and my axles have been holding up great. The transmission case cracked where the passenger side axle enters it, but the axle is unharmed. I figure putting all of the metal transmission parts through the same treatment should hopefully strengthen them to the same level it did for the axles.
Torque Converter will go off to Midwest converters to be beefed up. Need to decide if I want the same 4000 RPM stall speed I went with before, or if I want to lower that a little.
Next I will need to order the Alto Red Eagle clutches. I have had great success with those. Need to find a good place to get these from.
I also need a good LSD. I had the phantom grip crap in there before, never had issues with it, but I want to use a real LSD this time. I know it's supposed to be possible to put a Quaife into a 41TE, but I have no idea what model #, or what modifications are required to get it to fit/work. I think there may be a Peloquin or OBX option too, but again, don't know what model # for either brand or what modifications if any are needed to make them work. Anyone know?
Last thing is a trans cooler. Need to figure out where I have room to mount one, and what size I can fit. Run it in-line with the stock cooler (after it, but before the trans) or bypass the stock cooler all together?
I hope to start buying parts no later than the beginning of May.
Cryodtreating would be a great idea.
Did you have issues building boost at the line? If not, then go to 3000 or 3500.
I partially mocked up a Neon OBX in a 41TE, it looks very doable, I was going to put on in Shaynes trans but he switched to a 5 speed.
Cooler, go as big as you can fit and leave the stocker in place, run that first then the cooler, way the fluid won't get too cold.
If your running 89/90 wiring, you can easily add a TCM, Rob I think simply has to turn on that part in the SMEC/SBEC then you run the TCM wiring to the couple of sensors it uses.
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We're talking about that, but I want to run auto-stick which means running a 96 up TCM which won't talk to the SMEC over bus.
Yes I did, and I'll probably end up going with a bigger turbo eventually, which means something that would probably build boost even later. I didn't get enough runs in with the 4000 RPM stall + 2step to get a good feel for it.
Wait... WHAT turbo can you not spool at 4000 rpm with a 2.4? This thing must be huge..
Dont push the red button.You hear me?
So I read through 25 pages on neons.org and several pages from an older thread on here. I've got a good idea what to do to beef up the trans. I wish I could justify 750 for a controller I'd call PCS and see if they still made the harnesses. The only person I've read about having one running/driving was Una and he apparently was/is having some issues.
Was that the lack of wear compensation.
DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!
No it was personal issues, he is banned on neons.org and has bad deal threads there and the MS forums.
Oh, issues, you shoulda said.
DD1: '02 T&C Ltd, 3.8 AWD. DD2: '15 Versa Note SV, replacing.. DDx: '14 Versa Note SV << freshly killded :( ....... Projects: '88 Voyager 3.0, Auto with shift kit, timing advance, walker sound FX muffler on 15" pumpers wrapped in 215/65/R15 H rated Nexens.... and a '95 phord escort wagon PnP head << Both may need to go :( ..... I like 3.0s ... so??? ... stop looking at me like I've got two heads!
Yeah I realized I shoulda clarified, I see he is still around TD so maybe I will get in touch with him to see how much stuff he has left related to the 4 speed.
Greetings from Binghamton, NY
So, are you able to remove any reference to an automatic transmission in a controller from an 08 Avenger with the 3.5L v6? I am putting a T-850 behind a 3.5L.
Thanks,
Ray
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