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    14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Here is my 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review (so I can get some free extra stuff to go with it) Even though Alan is requesting reviews and giving away extras this is my honest review of the product.

    Link to product page is here: http://www.14point7.com/index.php


    I will add pictures to come but I have to get some sleep tonight.


    I am working on a custom dash for the charger and one of the things I never seem to be satisfied with is the selection of wideband gauges.

    Manufacturers never seem to provide a nice wideband in any of their full featured gauge sets. Granted Autometer just released their digital gauge but I really don't want full digital gauges or the $260 price tag on the gague (which is also the controller) and it would also require that I buy the WB and EGT gauges separately.

    I built a JAW wideband a couple of years ago when the DIY wideband craze was getting started but I never got a chance to actually use it. I recently looked up what the JAW inventor was doing these days and he had a product that was a couple of generations newer. I decided to get the updated one because there were some issues with the JAW overheating the voltage regulator that I read about and living in Arizona I just don't want to deal with it. For the price and at the time the JAW was a good deal but of course as time passes newer and better things are created.


    The new product named the SLC DIY is $99 for the kit and includes a fully featured wideband controller with USB support, a nice enclosure box and even a display! The fit and finish are much nicer than the JAW was. Additionally the unit can double as an EGT and boost display aswell.

    I have a disdain for gauge pods (aka cop lures) and want to panel mount the display so the EGT feature is a big added plus. It has a simple momentary push button that switches between WB, EGT, and optionally Boost. The other thing that I really like is that because it is a digital EGT it can actually read above 1600 degrees. Many times the max reading of the analog gauges is only 1600 and it isn’t high enough to really show what is going on. Some people regularly run higher than 1600 and they are SOL when looking for gauges. I don’t feel the need to see both the EGT and WB at the same time anyway as it is really something that has to be logged in most cases.

    The SLC DIY assembly was quite a chore actually. I have done quite a bit of soldering dating back in the day when I got my 2 year technician degree before getting my bachelors. I have also assembled a Megasquirt and several addon boards to go with it (and of course the older JAW wideband). The SLC DIY was a lot of work and actually has more components than my Megasquirt. By the time I looked everything over to get a crude understanding of the schematics and started the work I think I had about 4 hours of soldering invested.

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    The components are spaced pretty tightly so you need a fine solder tip to do the work. I actually had to get a magnifier out a couple of times to make sure that I hadn't bridged connections. I didn't have any trouble with the soldering and the board clearly has a high quality solder mask on it which I didn’t burn through at any point. The solder mask was actually quite forgiving and didn’t allow any solder bridges.

    The only layout related issue that I found was that the LM317 voltage regulator is very tight to a resistor leg (R8) on one side and to an electrolytic capacitor (C1) on the other. It is designed to be soldered to the board so those components need to be placed before it and even then it is a little tricky. I had to bend the legs of the regulator beyond 90 degrees and put a curve in them in kind of a weird way to get it to clear everything. It might be worth planning this out before soldering in R8 and C1. I have C1 soldered such that the can is nearly touching the board and I think that is probably just about the best way to do it.

    I am going to make a simple modification to the unit and probably won't use the display board because of it. I will be using a bezel from digikey that is actually for .8" LED displays (there aren't any that properly fit the supplied .56” display). That means I have to use a different common cathode LED array. The change is pretty simple but I also wanted a green LED which is backordered so I haven't completed it yet. I will post pictures once I have completed the display modification.


    Here is a link to the Bezel and display that I plan to use:

    Bezel:
    http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...50B-ND&x=0&y=0

    Smoke Lens (there are red and green ones aswell):
    http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...50S-ND&x=0&y=0

    2 digit .8” CC displays (they don’t seem to make 4 digit displays in .8” so two will have to be used side by side. The smoke lens should make this invisible):
    http://search.digikey.com/scripts/Dk...473-ND&x=0&y=0

    So at any rate the SLC DIY is clearly a much more advanced unit than the JAW was and I look forward to using it as soon as the car is ready to go.
    Considering that the SLC pure plus is only $160 ($61 more than the DIY kit) and comes fully assembled I might actually just buy it if I had to do it again knowing the amount of time that I spent soldering... Unfortunately the the SLC pure doesn’t seem to have the EGT which I really wanted and my desire to remotely mount the display made the DIY kit the only one that really met my requirements.

    Does anyone want to buy my new in box LC-1?

    -Rich

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Are all of the measurements available as outputs? Did you get the cadillac with egt, boost, the cable, etc? I wanted to try the JAW and never had an opportunity to use one.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Which version of the older JAW do you have?

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    I have a JAW as well but its sitting at a friends place...for over a year....its the supposively pimped out one with EGT RPM BOOST 02.....gotta get him to mail me that thing so i can put it 2gether one day.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Other than the photo of a laptop with gauge faces on it, there's no talk on the site about the software side. Can you monitor multiple outputs with a laptop? Can you datalog them?

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Very interesting. I may have to pick one of those up for the Daytona.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    I have an older version, Alan is a great guy to deal with.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skibbe View Post
    Other than the photo of a laptop with gauge faces on it, there's no talk on the site about the software side. Can you monitor multiple outputs with a laptop? Can you datalog them?
    Go to the support section of the website and you can download the instructions. No datalogging but I think you can monitor with a laptop.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Quote Originally Posted by wallace View Post
    Are all of the measurements available as outputs? Did you get the cadillac with egt, boost, the cable, etc? I wanted to try the JAW and never had an opportunity to use one.
    Yea I got basically everything. I don't have the boost sensor yet but this review is payment for it so I should get it soon.

    I should mention that I am not sure I would trust the EGT probe that he provided in an application before the turbo.

    I plan to use it as a secondary probe after the turbo. It is a rather thin budget probe that doesn't look like it will take the kind of heat that some of the expensive probes from companies like ISSOPRO can handle. I think it is however just fine as for use after the turbo and it is much cheaper than the expensive probes.

    My plan is to tune the car with the pre-turbo EGT probe and compare the readings with the post turbo EGT probe to establish a temperature drop baseline. Once the baseline is established and I know how much colder the exhaust is after the turbo I will probably plug the hole in the manifold with a pipe plug and rely on the post turbo probe. That way there is no risk of the probe failing and taking out my turbo.

    -Rich

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Quote Originally Posted by impuresoul2k3 View Post
    Which version of the older JAW do you have?
    I have a 1.03x JAW. I assembled it and it is just sitting around. After seeing how much more the new version can do I just decided to bite the bullet and upgrade.

    I am sure it would work just fine if someone is interested in it.

    -Rich

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    Added a couple of pictures of my build.

    I did get a couple of the resistors and diodes a little high off the board for my taste when I soldered them but overall I think I did a pretty good job.

    -Rich

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    How was it to solder? I have a techedge and it was complete hell trying to solder it since the board was tinned with lead free solder. I had my solder station (80w) cranked up to over 400c to get that crap to flow. My megasquirt flowed nicely at 340c.
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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    I had no problems soldering it other than a few tightly spaced components. It is a top quality board.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    I put together a previous version, 1.04, and that was my first time with soldering together a project like that (I had normally just done soldering wires together and maybe an IC here or there). It actually went quite well, it was easy to solder on with my 30w Radioshack iron.

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    Re: 14point7.com SLC DIY Wideband review.

    You mentioned selling your LC-1, how much would you be selling it for? Include gauge, controller and sensor?

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