3.0L AWD 5-speed minivan!

[Kreel]

My guy

Lol, don't rub it in.

[Vigo]

Guessing your blower will run out of steam before anything else.

I was reading a thread recently where someone was making close to 500hp on an m90 with a different case casting.

Look at the difference in the inlet between the m90 i have (oval on the left) vs the aftermarket case's intake:

[Kreel]

O.M.G. My cams finally shipped! I won't have them in my hands until sometime next week. Now let's see if they listened to my instructions properly...

@Vigo - Interesting. I haven't seen many people break 500hp on an m90. In fact, the only one that comes to mind is ZZP's car which had some insane heads using a GenV m90. I think it could rev to a whopping 7k, lol

[Ondonti]

Did you ever figure out what your fluid leak was?

[Kreel]

Did you ever figure out what your fluid leak was?

I have an idea that it was the seal for the adapter plate. Honestly I haven't looked at it in months so I won't even look at it until I start putting things back together.

[TheCanadian007]

Progress!

[Kreel]

Well, I picked up my cam today. Long story short Crower f'ed up my cam. They didn't listen to what I was asking and now that cam might not even be useable, let alone what I originally wanted. I provide details later when I know more.

EDIT:

I'm going to post pics after if they look decent (cam card info isn't available online yet) but here's the run-down of the MANY things they did wrong.

-only 0.100" taken off of the base circle after regrind. I requested MANY times both via e-mail and the phone to have a MINIMUM of 0.150" taken off. Because they failed to do this my intake valves are ever so slightly being held open. This automatically makes the cams a pair of paperweights.

-Even after telling them many, many times that this is a 3.0L SOHC engine with a 1.5 rocker arm ratio they managed to screw up and think it's a DOHC with a 1.75 rocker arm ratio. The reground to my height requirements based on the wrong ratio so my lift is actually LESS then stock now.

-duration is 223/232 @ 0.050 (278/284 total)...much higher then what I suggested. This is supposed to be a street/strip supercharger cam. To me this seems closer to a race cam then a street cam.

-lobe centerline is set at 106...no idea why they changed this.

-LSA didn't change. I wanted them to increase.

So as if things weren't tight enough for time I have to deal with getting ANOTHER set of cams. Quite frankly I don't want to deal with Crower ever again. I'll be sending a strongly worded e-mail right away and if they want to fix everything for me on their dime then great. If not I'll have a set of cams out to Brent's cam guy next week.

[Kreel]

See how many problems you can find with this cam card

[Reaper1]

Wow, wtf!?

[Vigo]

At this point i think you should make them get it right as punishment, whether or not you feel like ever supporting them again. You deserve to get what you asked for on what you paid for, and letting them off the hook doesnt help ANYONE, least of all the next guy who ends up in your position because you didnt hold Crower's feet to the fire to fix their errors.

[Aries_Turbo]

gather your documentation (emails detailing what you wanted) and place it in comparison to the BS that they sent you. send it to them and say this is what i wanted, this is what you sent me.... now do what i wanted like you should have in the first place. oh yeah, and since you are wasting my time again, do it on your dime.

Brian

[Kreel]

At this point i think you should make them get it right as punishment, whether or not you feel like ever supporting them again. You deserve to get what you asked for on what you paid for, and letting them off the hook doesnt help ANYONE, least of all the next guy who ends up in your position because you didnt hold Crower's feet to the fire to fix their errors.

gather your documentation (emails detailing what you wanted) and place it in comparison to the BS that they sent you. send it to them and say this is what i wanted, this is what you sent me.... now do what i wanted like you should have in the first place. oh yeah, and since you are wasting my time again, do it on your dime.

Brian

Yep, I've got over 50 e-mails of back-and-forth going over everything. I have PLENTY of documentation and they still screwed up. I sent them an e-mail last night basically saying they sent me paperweights. I'm giving them the option to make things right. We'll see what happens...I'm hoping they'll just agree with me and regrind me another cam free of charge. If they don't I'll have to take things to the next level.

Although this cam is useless for my built heads it *might* work on a stock-valve head. Just to get things running I might throw it in a different set of heads just to see how it performs.

[RoadWarrior222]

Ugh, that sucks...

They seem like they were supposed to be a circle track NA cam, idle at 2000, power all the way up top... but yah, rocker ratio screw up means they are probably not going to be as good as a stock cam.

How the F can you be in the cam business and get confused about whether you have a SOHC cam or a DOHC cam in front of you though????

[Kreel]

Talked to Crower today and hopefully sorted things out. They "claim" the guy grinding the cam didn't want to go any deeper then 0.100" for fear of going through the heat treating. Back when I was talking back and forth this came up (I actually brought it up first), but they felt that because I have roller rockers and this engine isn't going to be going another 100k I would be ok. They even offer a treatment to the cams if I was really worried about it.

There wasn't much response to the whole DOHC/SOHC thing and the rocker arm ratio getting messed up. They're willing to fix it all free of cost plus shipping back to me AND a 2 day turn-around. I'll believe it when I see it. I'm also having them back off on the duration a tad. Unfortunately this all means I won't even be putting anything back together until September now. Summer is slowly slipping away

[Vigo]

Well if you get some tires that work better on cold pavement, winter fun should not be a problem.

[turbovanman²]

That really sucks,

[Ondonti]

My guy heat treated mine...included.

I like how they used the wrong centerline just like they did on the Rick Lozier cams.
Now, based on that, how could they screw up SOHC vs DOHC when they used the bad SOHC centerline number? Your lobe seperation is now what your centerline should be :P

Funny thing about my cam guy is he thought we have 1.5 rocker but thats because nobody really knew it was 1.6 on the hydraulics.
That kinda duration will idle at 1000 rpms or less, it just needs MS to run well.

[Kreel]

Update: I complained enough and got Crower to fix their mistake + shipping back to me in Canada free of cost. They promised me a 2 day turnaround time (which they did) then failed to ship them until today. Everything was done exactly as per my e-mails this time so there's no chance they screwed it up (hopefully). I should have the cams early next week so I can start re-assembling by mid-September. Don't have any idea how I'm going to make it to the track, even in NA form. I have a LOT of work to do + reassemble the engine in under 2 weeks. Pretty bummed about that

In other news my brother finally built my adapter plate. It only took 10 months of bugging him to get it done...but beggers can't be choosers

[turbovanman²]

That's awesome,

You'll be ready for snow racing, lol.

What adapter plate?

[Kreel]

That's awesome,

You'll be ready for snow racing, lol.

What adapter plate?

Hehe, I took it out a couple times in the snow last year...lots of fun

The adapter plate I'm referring to is my m90-to-intake adapter. Can't remember if I went into details with mock-up pics in this thread. In any case I will post pics once I have the adapter plate in my hands.