Laser XE coming back

[Warren Stramer]

No halo or a-pillar bars yet? They not strict on that out your way?

Ya got them all planned out, just not installing them till I go 9.99 or quicker. Then they will bounce me. Some tracks are strict like BIR, and Interstate, others not so much.
When I start going nines consistently they will make me comply or slow down.

[Reeves]

NHRA - 5 points is good to 10.00 or 135mph

(not sure about 1/8)

BTW does Jon Moore have a cage?

Right, but we usually do well over 135 before we get to the 9's.

Yeah, he put in a 5 point in his black Neon then started running high 9's with it. LOL. So now he took that powerplant out and put it in his green Neon race car. Full cage. Running mid to high 9's.

Ya got them all planned out, just not installing them till I go 9.99 or quicker. Then they will bounce me. Some tracks are strict like BIR, and Interstate, others not so much.
When I start going nines consistently they will make me comply or slow down.

Sweet.

I kept getting in trouble for going over 135mph.

[BadAssPerformance]

Right, but we usually do well over 135 before we get to the 9's.

Yeah, he put in a 5 point in his black Neon then started running high 9's with it. LOL. So now he took that powerplant out and put it in his green Neon race car. Full cage. Running mid to high 9's.

So his race car (black one) is running? Sweet!

[BadAssPerformance]

Ya got them all planned out, just not installing them till I go 9.99 or quicker. Then they will bounce me. Some tracks are strict like BIR, and Interstate, others not so much.
When I start going nines consistently they will make me comply or slow down.

Good idea to wait till it is needed. I did the opposite, went 11.62 then added the weight and the car slowed down

[Reeves]

So his race car (black one) is running? Sweet!

The 98 black Neon R/T was his street car. It orginally didn't have a cage and he was running LOW 10's with it. He caged it and welded the diff and started running high 9's.

His race car is a green (for now) Neon. He's been working on it for years. He took the power plant out of his black street car and put it in this one to finish off the season last year. Running mid to high 9's. New power plant over the winter I do believe.

[BadAssPerformance]

Gotcha. So which one is on our times page? We should have both!

[Reeves]

Gotcha. So which one is on our times page? We should have both!

The street car!

[ShelGame]

Rob, The 'up close ' shifter pics may be the ones I lost way back when my computer crashed. Were they shots of the shifter only, not mounted in the car? If so could you post them here so I can recover them?

Yep, shifter only. I copied them way back. Didn't even realize it was yours until I saw the interior shot. Here you go...

[ShelGame]

Interesting. I figured with the move to manual brakes you would have done away with the cross split system. I know why it's there on production cars, but what is your opinion on race cars and such? I am wondering form the standpoint of adjustability for bias and simplicty of the system as a whole. I've not found an adjustable proportioning valve that works with a cross split system..you always have to run 2, which to me adds complexity, room for error, and an uneeded variable.

I ditched the cross-split system when I converted to manual brakes. I just use an adjustable bias box. I have a line-loc on the rear, but it doesn't hold for crap. I drag the rears thru the water box with the skinnies on.

[ShelGame]

Also the reason I dont go to little skinnies on the back, with them you have essentially no rear brakes in a hard stop, there is no tire contact patch, and the thought of getting crossed up at speed with them skinnies scares me. Just dont think it is worth it for the few hundreds its worth in ET.
And no offense,I think they look dumb

They do look dumb. And they don't hold in the water box. See my post above.

[BadAssPerformance]

They do look dumb. And they don't hold for crap in the water box. See my post above. I drag them thru the water with the line-loc on.

Tighten up the brakes? Set deeper in the water? Hit it harder? Mine work fine.

I used to think they looked stupid on RWD cars too, but I guess over the years they grew on me, and I like the weight savings

[ShelGame]

I've opened up the bias box to full pressure in the rear. The tires don't spin, I've been told I drag them. I guess I could get better tires. They are pretty small diameter (24's), and I run them at 36psi.

[BadAssPerformance]

Do they make you go thru the water and burn after the water or will they let you spin in it at the end of the box? Big difference. At tracks that make you pull thru gotta spin the tires good on teh way thru it to get them wet. IIR mine are 25 or 25.5 in and usually run 40psi

[Reaper1]

I ditched the cross-split system when I converted to manual brakes. I just use an adjustable bias box. I have a line-loc on the rear, but it doesn't hold for crap. I drag the rears thru the water box with the skinnies on.

I'm thinking of using this for a car that does road course and auto-x duty. It'll see a drag stip too, but not as its main focus.

[Warren Stramer]

Yep, shifter only. I copied them way back. Didn't even realize it was yours until I saw the interior shot. Here you go...

Hey thanks Rob.

[Reeves]

Tighten up the brakes? Set deeper in the water? Hit it harder? Mine work fine.

Mine work pretty good too....but occasionally I do drag them. Looks like a dog scooting his butt on the floor....

I used to think they looked stupid on RWD cars too, but I guess over the years they grew on me, and I like the weight savings

I used to think they looked stupid on FWD cars. But then they grew on me. x2

[Shadow]

Ya got them all planned out, just not installing them till I go 9.99 or quicker. Then they will bounce me. Some tracks are strict like BIR, and Interstate, others not so much.
When I start going nines consistently they will make me comply or slow down.

This is what I was also hoping to be able to do, but the techs mentioned the MPH thing to me when I was at the track last, so I'm thinking I'm toast!

Although, now that I think of it, I had the roll bar in before ever needing it so I would already be carrying the weight and not have to get 100lb heavier right when I reach the beach!

So I'm thinking the same would apply for what I'm looking at doing now.

Since you guys are all over the cage thing, there was something I was wondering about.

The two rear bars that support the main hoop and sit directly below the cross bar (not the ones that go right to the rear) are they mandatory?

I know for a roll bar (5-8pt) they are not. Which is how you get a 5 or 6 pt roll bar. I can't find anywhere that specifically states that you need them?

[Reeves]

Since you guys are all over the cage thing, there was something I was wondering about.

The two rear bars that support the main hoop and sit directly below the cross bar (not the ones that go right to the rear) are they mandatory?

I know for a roll bar (5-8pt) they are not. Which is how you get a 5 or 6 pt roll bar. I can't find anywhere that specifically states that you need them?

Yes, the lateral bars are mandatory when going to cage.

[Shadow]

Yes, the lateral bars are mandatory when going to cage.

Shazbot! There's another 20lbs I'm going to have to make up for!

Reeves, what material did you use?

[Reeves]

Shazbot! There's another 20lbs I'm going to have to make up for!

Reeves, what material did you use?

All chrome-moly except for the 1/8" 6x6 floor plates. Very light.