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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    ok, the bad cals are:
    T_LM_22_MTX_A079_CSX
    T_LM_22_ATX_0078_SL
    T_LM_22_MTX_A641_MPStgII
    Aw crap. Mpstage2 is what I have Mike Reeves using.

    Which table is wrong? Copy it from 171?

    Does the 2.5 mtx custom cal look correct?

    Brian

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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by Force Fed Mopar View Post
    I have one already made that i did for a Daytona CS converted to '87 LM. Needs tweaking still but it starts and runs and idles good. Not MP based but works. Usually the MP stuff just had minor timing differences. I know that they hold the idle up longer so the rpms won't drop so fast between shifts.
    I've had many LM based 2.5 Cal's over the years starting in 06, some I did, some others did, all have idled wonky minus 1. Sure I'll give yours a go. I think my current setup idles wonky because of my wideband simulated narrowband output.

    I'm going to add an extra ground to the LM and then reprogram the simulated narrowband output so that it's a little less severe in it's switching effect. Effectively make it "lazier".

    It has a Bosch narrowband style curve to it. I tried making it a steeper voltage curve right around 14.7:1 and it made it worse.

    I think I'll try a linear slope from 1v = 11:1 to 0v =17:1 and see how it performs.

    My idle mix is good, but my range that the idle mix swings when switching is bad.

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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    Aw crap. Mpstage2 is what I have Mike Reeves using.

    Which table is wrong? Copy it from 171?

    Does the 2.5 mtx custom cal look correct?

    Brian
    see this post: http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/sh...=1#post1127030

    the other ones look ok. i need to contact Rob L and let him know so he can update the cals. i'm not quite sure if a moderator can access the cals for us or if only rob can access his post.
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    Re: MPTuner

    Should be easy to update. Aren't the DL links to my google drive now?
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    Re: MPTuner

    Repository DL is updated...
    https://db.tt/SV7ONZpQ
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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    i got a different question.

    morris, i remember you giving me some stock 87 and 89 table files years ago that were pretty complete. i updated them to version 2 .mpt but it doesnt have any of the grouping.

    has anyone taken the time to make a stock memory location .mpt file with the turbonator grouping set up?

    i have some old cals id like to take a look at and try to figure out why they idled so well compared to some stuff that i have now that is turbonator based.

    thanks

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    Re: MPTuner

    Unfortunately dropbox is killing the public folder setup which is how i was doing the autoupdate. so i have moved all the update files to a personal server. mpscan should update ok. however, mptune will not work correctly due to the fact that i also have modified the framework to v4. so, even tho mptune will update it probably won't work.

    SO, ALL USERS SHOULD UNINSTALL MPTUNE MANUALLY, AND DOWNLOAD THE LATEST ZIP FILE FROM THE LINK IN POST 1 AND REINSTALL. SORRY.
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    Re: MPTuner

    downloaded MPtuner new zip and all fires right up and runs then when I shut it down it updates then will not open again. Gives a error says MPtuner has stopped working and is looking for solutions then that screen dies and nothing else happens open it up again and same message. Uninstall reinstall and same problem. This is on windows 10 tried running in different modes to same problem.

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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by TFmech View Post
    downloaded MPtuner new zip and all fires right up and runs then when I shut it down it updates then will not open again. Gives a error says MPtuner has stopped working and is looking for solutions then that screen dies and nothing else happens open it up again and same message. Uninstall reinstall and same problem. This is on windows 10 tried running in different modes to same problem.
    Figures try it 10 times and 10 different ways finally ask for help........try it one more time and it works like it should.......figures....thanks anyway

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    Re: MPTuner

    Morris, I loaded up an old customers cal to help him out, and I now get this error with the latest version of MP Tune:

    Warning->subtype must be 1 to indicate a map table for scaling: WidebandAFRToO2TransferFunction
    This is not a MAP-type table, and doesn't indicate psi anywhere in the table data. I don't understand why it's giving this error for this table.

    WB2AFR_WidebandToAFRTransferFunction:
    ;mpgrp 0_-_Setup\C_-_Turbonator_Features\WB2NB\
    ;mptbladdr 0x1F08
    ;mptbltype 0
    ;mpsubtype n
    ;mptbllname WidebandToAFRTransferFunction
    ;mptblcname WB2AFR
    ;mpxaxis SensorVolts 0 5 volts
    ;mpyaxis AFR 4 19.9375 ratio
    ;mptbldesc Wideband_to_AFR_transfer_function._Should_be_match ed_to_the_sensor/driver_output.
    .byte 0x02 ;Number of points in table
    .byte 0x00, 0x52, 0x00, 0x9F ;Point 1
    .byte 0xFF, 0xF0 ;Point 2
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    Re: MPTuner

    rob, this is the table it is referring to:

    AFR2NB_WidebandAFRToO2TransferFunction:
    ;mpgrp 0_-_Setup\C_-_Turbonator_Features\WB2NB\
    ;mptbladdr 0x1F64
    ;mptbltype 0
    ;mpsubtype n
    ;mptbllname WidebandAFRToO2TransferFunction
    ;mptblcname AFR2NB
    ;mpxaxis AFR 7.35 22.39 ratio
    ;mpyaxis O2SensorVolts 0 5 volts
    ;mptbldesc Wideband_to_O2_transfer_function._Should_be_matche d_to_the_sensor/driver_output.
    ;mpmapaxis y
    .byte 0x04 ;Number of points in table
    .byte 0x00, 0x32, 0xFF, 0xF7 ;Point 1
    .byte 0x78, 0x2E, 0xFB, 0xE6 ;Point 2
    .byte 0x82, 0x05, 0xFF, 0xFC ;Point 3
    .byte 0xFF, 0x03 ;Point 4
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    Re: MPTuner

    Ok i'm stumped here. I socketed my SMEC and have an ostrich plugged into it. I have downloaded a stock cal to make sure things run and cannot figure out how to load that cal from MPTune into the Ostrich. The ostrich shows up on MPTune as port 6 so I know MPTune sees it.

    Can anyone please give me a pointer.

    Thanks.

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    Thanks again.
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    Re: MPTuner

    Never mind. No sooner I posted this question I figured out the answer. I had to compile to bin first THEN flash!

    Van fired right up.

    Thanks.

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    Re: MPTuner

    Is there a way to have MPTune display Lambda rather than AFR, or is that too difficult given the different fuels?

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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    Is there a way to have MPTune display Lambda rather than AFR, or is that too difficult given the different fuels?
    should be able to create a custom user gauge and then enter the ecu min/max with the appropriate wideband min/max, e.g. .5 and 1.5.

    ***edit***
    sorry, i assumed you were talking about mpscan!!!

    do you have specific tables in mind where you would like to see this? perhaps i could come up with some type of setting that would do this for you.
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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    should be able to create a custom user gauge and then enter the ecu min/max with the appropriate wideband min/max, e.g. .5 and 1.5.

    ***edit***
    sorry, i assumed you were talking about mpscan!!!

    do you have specific tables in mind where you would like to see this? perhaps i could come up with some type of setting that would do this for you.
    The real benefit here would be something I learned only several years ago when I stepped into the wideband world.
    The AFR measured in lambda is the same across the different fuel blends. So you wouldn't have built in errors when going from E10 to winter gas, or race gas.

    The wideband instructions have all sorts of stoich targets for the different fuels measured, but the lambda stoich is consistent across the fuels.
    That was my understanding though, but maybe I am wrong.
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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by wheming View Post
    The real benefit here would be something I learned only several years ago when I stepped into the wideband world.
    The AFR measured in lambda is the same across the different fuel blends. So you wouldn't have built in errors when going from E10 to winter gas, or race gas.

    The wideband instructions have all sorts of stoich targets for the different fuels measured, but the lambda stoich is consistent across the fuels.
    That was my understanding though, but maybe I am wrong.
    yes, lambda is the way to go.
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    Re: MPTuner

    Quote Originally Posted by wowzer View Post
    should be able to create a custom user gauge and then enter the ecu min/max with the appropriate wideband min/max, e.g. .5 and 1.5.

    ***edit***
    sorry, i assumed you were talking about mpscan!!!

    do you have specific tables in mind where you would like to see this? perhaps i could come up with some type of setting that would do this for you.
    Specifically the tables which have the AFR line. I would be nice to have them in lambda since I've switched over to it,

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    So, why wouldn't it work now? If you convert the AFRsettings table over to your lambda goal values, and set your WB2NB range to be for the lambda range, does it look screwy?

    I suppose Morris would need to verify the calculations are correct for using lambda to ensure those target guide lines are accurate.
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    Re: MPTuner

    I just want the box to show Lambda when I'm pointing at things. I can't import anything or log stuff. I'm still tuning old school as I haven't finished putting my MPScilink together.

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