Cam Regrinds

[MC#4]

I saw that sundance6G72 was talking about this in his build thread but I didn't want to clutter his thread all up. Some things have changed for me and I have a little wiggle room to do some mods to my car. I have the top end partially apart right now to replace head gaskets that I blew 2 months ago. I'm currently porting the plenum and I think I'd like to do some more mods while the car is down.

Ok I'm really looking to get some cam regrinds but I have a few questions. I know a few people have had this done and I'm curious about details.

1. I've read Crower and RPW were doing regrinds but I guess RPW is austrailian based and therefore turnaround would be much longer. Turbovanman also had some options I think, not sure if they were regrinds though?
2. It seems as though I have a unique situation since there are very few Non-turbo V6's with a 7k rev limit let alone nitrous on top of it.
3. Rick Lozier's cams come up in almost every thread about cams but facts are hard to come by. No one seems to know if the cams were any good past 6200 or so or if it had any street manners.
4. Cost seems to be around $150-$200 for (2) regrinds. Wondering if this is still the case?
5. I have a spare set of cams from my header mock up motor. They are from a 96ish van. Any problems with sending these out to get regrinds?

I just sent this message to Crower.
Hi there, I am very interested in getting (2) camshaft regrinds. This would be for a '94 Dodge Shadow 3.0 V6 SOHC. (6G72 engine ID). Stock rev limiter was set at 5800 rpms but my rev limiter is now set at 7000rpms. I want to take full advantage of my new found rpms. The car does have intake and exhaust modifications as well as 75hp shot of nitrous. I want it to remain streetable so I don't want to only make power above 5k rpms or anything. Would something like 2500-7000 be possible? I am planning on uprading valve springs as well as mild head porting while I have the top end apart. Please let me know turn around time and approx. cost. Thank You!

P.S. In case you haven't seen before. I am running a socketed ecu from shel-game with a 7k rev limit. The factory map was NOT changed at all. Shel-game says the car should run up to 7k but it will run with the same fuel/timing as it does as 6k. I have not driven the car with the new ecu yet, but I do have a wideband installed and will report back with results of how the car reacts about 6k.

[Ondonti]

RPW does billet cams. Supposedly core are from china but who knows. They are big bucks (near 1000 dollars).
There is a local place here called Delta cams that does very affordable extreme things BUT they wanted to see my custom Vintage Racing cams camshaft before making me a new cam and that turned me off.

IMO, if you know a race shop nearbye, its likely they have a cam guy. Thats what I did.

[turbovanman²]

I have 2 regrinds, both work with the factory computer but the race one does need valve spring mods as the stockers can't handle it, but can get anything made you want, barring of course the limits of regrinding the stockers.

Ed Kelly has some of my RV cams, I sold him a set probably 5 years ago or longer.

Becareful of Crower, their quality control is brutal, many threads on SRT forums of their cams looking like someone took a chisel to them and fixing them is like Not to mention turn around time and they don't listen to you, that was the case with Kreel.

[Sundance 6g72]

i cant vouge for dsm graveyard other than the fact that they have a good rep in the dsm community. they also do 3s stuff and told me yesterday that they will regrind my cams. i dont have a price yet but i hope its decent so i can make a day trip over there and get them done. just another source to think about.

[shayne]

i stand behind simons cam guy, he's been doing it for longer than some of us have been alive. and he has the results to stand behind. and he will work with you to make up what you want, most cam grinders will just give you what they already have and thats it. you should go ahead and save for a porting job of if you can do it yourself, do that. just beware that one can ruin a set of good heads without a proper understanding of the work you need to apply. ideally you want to port and do the cams at once. with your flow numbers you can choose a cam that best suits your rpm and hp needs.

[MC#4]

http://www.3si.org/forum/f36/sohc-ab...-bible-476200/

This makes the rick lozier cams look pretty good. (for N/A at least) Power to 7k, steetable, cheap. Any one care to reinforce/refute the SOHC bible?

[shayne]

cheap is relative, more and more customers are becoming disastisfied with crower's lesser known product lines like regrinding, like simon mentioned. buyer beware. most of the posters in that thread have little experience seriously modifying a sohc 12valve, and fewer still have any experience with that cam, and talk about it as if they run it themselfs, based solely on what they have heard. so what you need to do is find someone who actually runs a car with it and ask for impressions and powerband, and necessary mods to make it work effectively.
reliable and cheap is not fast
fast and cheap is not reliable
fast and reliable is not cheap.

[Sundance 6g72]

yeah i dont like taking advice from sohc 3s guys because they *ususally* are the ones that bought a stealth because it was a stealth, not because they wanted a twin turbo awd car... so then they evenautlaly find out that its *slow* and want to upgrade it with intake and exhaust and expect big gains. for sohc 6g72, us dodge guys are way ahiad of the game

ricks cam grind isnt exactly un proven.. it got the car into 12s with spray.. he didnt go cheep with it either.. its a thought out cam that i would trust but his car isnt my car so maybe its not good for me? the specs on it prove that its a decent upgrade that isnt harsh enough to ruin streetabilty

as far as the sohc bible that brent wrote goes, i agree with everything.. its all straight forward

[MC#4]

I didn't even read the posts in that thread, I was just referring to Ondonti's post. It looks like this particular grind would suit my needs pretty well. I've got nothing against turbovanman's (simon?) grinds except cost, this is a budget build for me. I'm new to cam regrinds, can anyone use that number and come up with the same cam? I have a local guy in mind if so.

[Sundance 6g72]

you want to take that cam number and look it up on the crower site.. copy down all the info and have your cam guy make the cam.

is that what your asking?

[shayne]

and my point was that ordonti hasnt used the cam in question i dont really think anyone has those cams in a running and driving 3l car so nobody can really know, i dont think the person who owns rick loziers (reaper, i believe) car has it in running shape to be able to give you an idea of what to expect. and also if you see pics of that car, it had one purpose and one alone, to be a drag car, so that leads me to scrutinize the suitability of those cams in a street, or street and mild strip motor, also, you if you have emissions testing in your area, lumpy cams seldom pass the sniffer, and in the odd case it throws a code most emissions places wont even test you. these are all things to think about.
as for simons cams, i cant make anyone buy from him, im just saying that his guy is really smart and offers excellent grinds that work really well for the application that you work together with. for me the cams i bought are exactly what i wanted, modified to my spec, and the service and workmanship are top notch.

[Sundance 6g72]

no arguing with you there. Sniffer test went out the window when i got megasuirt :P BUT The op does run his stock ecu so maybe thats important.

to pass emissions, its not that hard to swap back to stock cams ONCE a year and swap to stock type exhaust. Thats what i would do. I ran dual ecus.. i could swap from megasquirt to sbecII in 40 seconds (unless you count the injector swap)

anyways, back to cams. Im open to anyone who can get me a regrind cam, and im sure everyone else is. We would just like to know all the specs on said cams.. rick's cam is open the public but it sounds like the other guy only tells us the duration (and i dont know JACK about cams so maybe thats all we need to know?)

[turbovanman²]

My info is posted in the vendor section, and like I said, I can get anything made barring the stock cam limitations.

http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/sh...highlight=cams

I'll confirm the specs and pricing as its been a few years, then you can make up your own minds.

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no arguing with you there. Sniffer test went out the window when i got megasuirt :P BUT The op does run his stock ecu so maybe thats important.

to pass emissions, its not that hard to swap back to stock cams ONCE a year and swap to stock type exhaust. Thats what i would do. I ran dual ecus.. i could swap from megasquirt to sbecII in 40 seconds (unless you count the injector swap)

anyways, back to cams. Im open to anyone who can get me a regrind cam, and im sure everyone else is. We would just like to know all the specs on said cams.. rick's cam is open the public but it sounds like the other guy only tells us the duration (and i dont know JACK about cams so maybe thats all we need to know?)

Why would you have issues with the sniffer test? If the cams aren't that big and you can tune, I don't see an issue. My last set of cams were pretty wild and I could easily pass a sniffer test.

[Sundance 6g72]

I didnt bring up the sniffer.. i was just stating that its not a factor (for me)

Checking link naow

[RoadWarrior222]

I've got nothing against turbovanman's (simon?) grinds except cost, this is a budget build for me.

I haven't had the spare cash for them yet, but the pricing seemed reasonable to me.... of course you'll always see SBC and 5.0 cams dirt cheap, and cheaper and actually available used.

If they're good quality, it's cheaper than doing it wrong a couple of times first. But of course he can't compete if the local wrecker wants to give away a pair of diamante cams for $20, not that they're the same thing.

[Ondonti]

Not reading all this. Quality control is something to always worry about. Seen tIII guys with ruined cams from I can't remember who. Nothing wrong with checking the parts you receive. That has been a problem with vendors here too.

I trust my cam guy but Kreel wanted to save 40 bucks and he paid for that savings. My guy did what I wanted even though I probably asked for too much at that time.
As long as you are using a cam card and not trying something custom its probably easier to trust products.

[Kreel]

Yeah, I went with Crower and regretted making the choice. They lost my cams once, lost all my paperwork another time, and reground them incorrectly when I made specific requests. They eventually made everything right but it was a multi-month ordeal. I saved money but it cost me a lot of time and I wouldn't recommend them if you're doing anything they consider a "custom" regrind.

[c2xejk]

I ordered one of Crower's off the shelf regrinds. It took over a month and likely would have taken longer if I hadn't proded them. I was told by their customer support that it take about 2 weeks... I would love to put the cams I got on a cam doctor to see exactly what they are because I am not convinced they are what they said (they may be...) Compression ratio between the two banks is off 10 psi (all cylinders.)

For my next cam I am strongly considering Delta so I can have the lobes welded to equalize the seperation angle.

[MC#4]

Well it looks like Crower is out. Turbovanman do you have updated info yet?

P.S. I've read in different places about our rockers being 1.5 and 1.6 ratio. Does anyone know for sure which it is?

[Sundance 6g72]

wow just talked with DSM graveyard about cam regrinds. i already forgot his name but what a nice guy. he remembers me from facebook and from our local forum, he made me feel special by actually remembering me.

hes really busy today but said he will call back with an estimate for 12valve regrinds. HE told me the typical 4g63 16valve regrinds cost $250 so our cams should not be much different.

he told me they are trying to make it into the 3s market a little bit so thats good for us, even though we are the minority as far as the 6gx goes.. he still made me feel like he cared and thats saying alot compared to some of our vendors who shove us off and give us the run around.

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