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    Talking I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Turbocolt2.4 said he's done it already and does it to other RWD race trans so with my trans being down, might as well do it. I have access to a machine shop so he'll do what I want. I'll post pics as I get it done,

    My copper thrust/shims are pretty thrashed so its time to upgrade, should relieve the metal my magnet keeps collecting.

    Need to figure out what to do with the planetary's too,
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Hi simon sounds, good,

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Thanks, got most of the bugs worked out, now just to make it a bit more reliable, although this one has lasted about 3 years,
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Are you talking about using torringtons in place of the shims?
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by black86glhs View Post
    Are you talking about using torringtons in place of the shims?
    Yes, I just mocked it up, shouldn't be that hard, I can rollerize the whole back section quite easily.
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Yes, I just mocked it up, shouldn't be that hard, I can rollerize the whole back section quite easily.
    That sounds cool to me. Might even lower the fluid temp a little along with making it more reliable.
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Can someone explain what rollerizing is? I havent heard of it.

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by 86turboz View Post
    Can someone explain what rollerizing is? I havent heard of it.
    The transmission uses copper/babbit shims/thrust washers to seperate the numerous planetary's drums etc. For stock, they work, when making power, these are pressed together much harder and wear, some will grind into the mating housing causing sloppy parts, accelerated wear and metal in your oil. Using roller versions eliminates wear and friction,
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    I think you need to make a KC article of this
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShelGame View Post
    I think you need to make a KC article of this
    When I am done, I will. The other guy just contacted me, I can't remember what he did.
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    I would be interested in part numbers...

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Please take lots of pics, as I still can only vaguely grasp what you are going to do.

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by pauly_no_van View Post
    I would be interested in part numbers...
    Won't be many part numbers, its mostly machining and measuring.

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    Please take lots of pics, as I still can only vaguely grasp what you are going to do.
    I took some pics of the stock stuff so it will make sense. I'll post up on Monday, my work computer crashed.
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Ok pics to make it easier. You can see in the rear sun gear how much pressure is back there, that groove isn't machined, thats from the force pushing the copper into the metal. Thats the main one I rollerized already, actually TCS sell's those but I don't like how they machine the pocket.

    This is the rear output shaft sun gear and matching worn thrust washer-









    This is the machined one for the torrington thrust bearing-









    The front planetary and thrust. These are a 5 pinion unit, an upgrade by Dodge. The rear is a 4 and that's what failed on mine and a few customers regular Neons-the thrust washers to keep the gears from moving blow out, . Looking into making a straight cut version but costly, around $300+.






    You can see how hot it got when the TC failed, that colouring shouldn't be there, thats the fluid burnt onto the metal, a few plastic items in the trans melted,



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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Thanks for the pics.

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Does it make sense now?
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Does it make sense now?
    It's pretty much like I imagined, but the pics are worth the proverbial 1000 words.

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Simon what about cutting the welds on the rear planetary and replacing the thrust washer with torrington thrust bearing , then weld it back up .
    You will need a make a jig to weld it back up square.

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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakes View Post
    Simon what about cutting the welds on the rear planetary and replacing the thrust washer with torrington thrust bearing , then weld it back up .
    You will need a make a jig to weld it back up square.
    My machine shop buddy is looking to it but it will be costly.

    We talked last night, he can make me a brand new one with straight cut gears and rebuildable but the cost, ouch.

    He is looking at options today. The rear planetary always fails, it has the most load as it takes the most abuse, EDIT They fail just as much as the front one, which is what failed on mine, my bad.

    He makes torque wrenches and impact guns with planetary gearsets of similiar size that have 1000's of ft/lbs of torque and they don't fail, so he's going to do some analysis on mine.
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    Re: I am going to rollerize my A413.

    Take your right foot out of the equation and it would live longer!!!
    It may be costly, but it would last. Might be worth it in the long run.(refering to the planetary set)
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