im still waiting for payment for the MS diagnostic services....
J/K lol
ill see you in Cinci tomorrow weather pending (then you can stare at my taillights! )
im still waiting for payment for the MS diagnostic services....
J/K lol
ill see you in Cinci tomorrow weather pending (then you can stare at my taillights! )
TAILLIGHTS HA!!!!
I've got MWAHAHAHA...
lol, lets let the cars do the talking tomorrow
(i didn't see the fogger or bottle so i think its just the speed or crack....)
Well, ran for the first time on the track Saturday, It was a BLAST
Got 4 runs in as I got there late:
1st Run: I got excited/nervous (GO ME!!) and spun it through 2nd And left on green LOL
R/T: 0.569
60': 2.650
330': 7.063
1/8: 10.754
MPH: 67.00
1000: 13.885
1/4: 16.526
MPH: 85.29
2nd Run: Calmed down a little, only spun through 1st - Still left on green.
R/T: 0.482
60': 2.503
330': 6.751
1/8: 10.363
MPH: 68.06
1000: 13.448
1/4: 16.060
MPH: 86.08
3rd Run: Finally got a good launch, and left on yellow BEST RUN !!
R/T: 0.177
60': 2.367
330': 6.557
1/8: 10.137
MPH: 69.27
1000: 13.187
1/4: 15.787
MPH: 86.38
Final Run: Switched lanes and spun through 1st again
R/T: 0.358
60': 2.587
330': 6.834
1/8: 10.432
MPH: 68.91
1000: 13.490
1/4: 16.086
MPH: 86.48
I'm pretty happy, I know this thing has a 15.0 in it with some sticky tires and a good launch. A 2.0 short time would probably net me a 14.9...
Stock ecu or MS?
If MS I bet you have the car.......detuned......I run 86-87mph at 4400 foot elevation and 92+ at sea level with stock cams and longblock. On stock ecu.
What are you shifting at? I guess this is interesting cause you have so much more control if you were using the MS. Much easier to get things wrong I bet! Plus you have those big cams installed right? No public info an anyone with that open of a setup and a 5 speed.
I shift at the stock 6200 limiter even with stock cams and no fuel there with the stock ecu.
And what kind of port job did you do on the plenum?
BTW didn't you get a package..........
Did you like my taillights nice job on your runs though. once you get it tuned more with the MS, im seeing high 14s in your future
btw, once you get your WBo2 fixed, LMK and we can do some tuning at National Trails outside Columbus. maybe we can get you down towards 15.0
Running on MS - VERY detuned - as in not at all, no WBO2 yet
Shifting whenever it quit pulling, not sure as I don't have a tach besides on the laptop and I wasn't really paying attention to that and wasn't datalogging... DOH
I do know that I was revving close to 7k to cross the traps in 3rd gear. This thing screams
Yes I was running the regrind cams. Plenum is a simple center divider delete.
Package?
What is your rev limiter set at.... lol
I bet your fuel is all wrong and so is the timing. Thats why I wish someone had the breakdown for the n/a computer timing.
Thought you got one of Ed's headers.
Last edited by Ondonti; 04-06-2009 at 03:37 AM.
timing im pretty sure is not ideal, its around 15-17* across the table. Fuel was erred on the rich side until the WBo2 gets remedied.
anyone have the tables from the stock 12v computer pulled out?
My rev limiter (Fuel Cut) is at 7000. I know my fuel and timing are off, but it will be fixed soon.
I have Ed's headers, but I'm not running turbo yet...
Well I myself am sorta planning on putting in a stock motor with no turbo to start my MS stuff.
Rob Lloyd probably could create some table of timing information but when i look at the timing tables in Dcal I have a hard time figuring out how much total advance there is in the system at WOT and part throttle. I don't understand how they work together enough.
The 2 valve is going to need significantly more timing then the 4 valve though. Thats pretty much standard in 2 valve vs 4 valve tuning, so if he is using your 4 valve type timing its way weak for him.
Is that total timing or minus the base? whats the base?
I am thinking he should have 30+ degrees with timing ramping up after maybe 5000-6000 rpms because higher rpms are less likely to detonate.
6g72 guys with 30psi boost and race gas with 4 valve heads are running low 20's total timing above 5000-6000 rpms so the 2 valve with no boost and 85-87 octane gas should be a lot higher.
btw no burnouts on street tires. drive around the water box
Tune your a/f to mid/high 12's when you are n/a in the 3.0. I found that the 5 speed ecu running mid 12's ran faster then the auto ecu running high 12's a/f. I dont know what the timing differences are between the cals so I can't claim mid 12's makes more power.
When tuning the part throttle timing, its okay to crank the low rpm timing until you hear an audible knock then back it off a few degrees. thats how I set base timing in my daily. Sometimes I have to back it off a few degrees on long mountain trips in a loaded car trips or if elevation changes (lower elevation = less timing). The knock is happening with very little fuel in the chamber so its not gonna damage your pistons. Street tune your part throttle low rpm timing and then "maximizing" WOT timing is dyno territory or copy known good #'s
but yeah, sounds like you are 15 degrees low on timing at WOT! if your timing is that far off you have mid 14's in your belt.
Last edited by Ondonti; 04-06-2009 at 02:57 PM.
I got the stock timing numbers from Rob Lloyd So here we go....
Now I just have to convert this info over to my tables and I should have a much better running car...once I get my WBO2 back from being worked on.From the '89 V6, the advance from MAP @ WOT looks like it goes from 15deg @ -9.5psi to 0 deg @ -3.0psi.
The advance from RPM has these points:
1) 1500 rpm x 10.0 deg
2) 2000 rpm x 14.5 deg
3) 2800 rpm x 17.5 deg
4) 4000 rpm x 18.0 deg
5) 4800 rpm x 26.0 deg
looks like a fun project.
that intercooler is going to limit you alot though.
if it had an inlet on one end and the out on the other it would be worlds better.
Brian
Originally Posted by turbovanman
Neat project,
Makes me want to put a 3.0L in my R/T and turbo it,
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This is definitely a cool project! cant wait to see more updates!
you and brian should meet for a '15 second 3.0 swapped cars' showdown lol
i sold mine.
Brian
Originally Posted by turbovanman
oh poop. well wrangle up the new owner and see if he'll throw down
possibly. i dont know how much of a chance nathan would have though. a k car weighs like 2400lbs and i had some mods done to my old one as well
Brian
Originally Posted by turbovanman
You guys just wait, I plan to have a 13 second or faster car by the time I'm done
My car weighs in at somewhere near 3200 pounds with me in it i believe, maybe more, so i doubt I'll see more than low 15s N/A (once I get it tuned properly).
I do know that I ran a 15.7 with a crappy 60 foot, no traction, and a very crappy tune, so all I can do is hope (and throw more money at it...)
Still waiting on my WBO2 to get back to me after warranty work is done, then I will see what i can do with the correct timing and a decent A/F ratio. (Right now it is running VERY rich at WOT to keep the motor alive and happy.)
Grrrr... I hate waiting....
i ran a 15.7 with a 604 in drive and just matting it on the green at the track.
im just messing around. i dont even have the car anymore.
yours will be pretty sweet when you are done. im serious about that intercooler though. it isnt ideal.
Brian
Originally Posted by turbovanman