take me to school on hybrid turbos

[bgbmxer]

i have a garret off of a 89 shelby daytona so its the tII garret and it is locked up and going to need rebuilt. im not entirely sure what will need replaced or not yet but i have access to a local turbo shop and was wondering what all options i have to modify this thing. from what i have read from the dodge garage is

Hybrid Turbo's.

A hybrid turbo is a turbocharger that use components from different families. In this case, as far as FWD Mopars go (so far) Garrett T3 exhaust & center section (That's what our cars use from the factory) combined with Garrett T4 compressor housings and wheels.

so what parts do i need exactly to pull this off? what are my options?

[Juggy]

the 89 shelby tona is a TII powered car, but the turbo is a T3 garrett.

your best bet is to talk to a reputable turbo rebuilder and have them set you up with something aimed towards what you need for your application

rebuilds run you approx 300 bucks, then add in the compressor housing/backplate and T4 wheel to the cost!

[bgbmxer]

the 89 shelby tona is a TII powered car, but the turbo is a T3 garrett.

your best bet is to talk to a reputable turbo rebuilder and have them set you up with something aimed towards what you need for your application

rebuilds run you approx 300 bucks, then add in the compressor housing/backplate and T4 wheel to the cost!

the labor will most likely not cost me anything but the hard parts will. are these the only parts or do they use different shafts bearings etc. what options do i have for exhaust and compressor housing sizes also

[tryingbe]

There are only two "bolt-on" turbine housing for TM.
.48 (what you already have) and .63 manufactured by Turbonetics and sold by TM vendors.

[Chris W]

Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings have been discontinued. We expect one last batch due in next month and then the pattern and core box will be going into storage indefinitely. All of the new turbine housings we will be receiving have been designated for complete turbo builds.

You are seriously limiting yourself by mixing a T4 compressor wheel and housing with your stock TII .48 A/R exhaust housing. I would start looking for a used .63 A/R Chrysler style turbine housing if you are serious about running a hybrid turbo or contact us if you are interested in one of our hybrid turbos with the Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings.

Chris-TU

[turbovanman²]

Correct, a .48 housing is like breathing thru a straw,

A good stock replacement is a 46 trim T04E housing and wheel, .63 housing, stock turbine and center section or run a 60 trim wheel and .63 housing on your stocker for an S60 clone.

[bgbmxer]

Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings have been discontinued. We expect one last batch due in next month and then the pattern and core box will be going into storage indefinitely. All of the new turbine housings we will be receiving have been designated for complete turbo builds.

You are seriously limiting yourself by mixing a T4 compressor wheel and housing with your stock TII .48 A/R exhaust housing. I would start looking for a used .63 A/R Chrysler style turbine housing if you are serious about running a hybrid turbo or contact us if you are interested in one of our hybrid turbos with the Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings.

Chris-TU

when i change the exhaust housing i have to run a bigger exhaust wheel also right. and what power over a stock t2 could be made with converting it to the t4 compressor wheel and housing seeing as im not going to be building a rocketship it will be autocrossed alot and some dragracing also. also if i would buy a used .63 housing do they still sell the wheel to go with it or am i thinking all wrong

[Chris W]

when i change the exhaust housing i have to run a bigger exhaust wheel also right. and what power over a stock t2 could be made with converting it to the t4 compressor wheel and housing seeing as im not going to be building a rocketship it will be autocrossed alot and some dragracing also. also if i would buy a used .63 housing do they still sell the wheel to go with it or am i thinking all wrong

Not necessarily. You can stay with the factory Stage 1 turbine wheel on most mild applications. It's only when you are shooting for more then 350HP that you need to upgrade to the next size. The Stage 1 wheel will fit both the .48 and .63 A/R turbine housings. The .48 A/R turbine housings will restrict your HP levels to as low as 265.

There are a few other things we need to know about your vehicle as well so we can recommend the correct compressor/turbine wheel combination. Vehicle weight, type of racing, horsepower goals, etc. all play a part in the ideal selection for your individual application. It's always best to call prior to ordering so we can choose the best configuration for your vehicle.

Chris-TU

[bgbmxer]

Not necessarily. You can stay with the factory Stage 1 turbine wheel on most mild applications. It's only when you are shooting for more then 350HP that you need to upgrade to the next size. The Stage 1 wheel will fit both the .48 and .63 A/R turbine housings. The .48 A/R turbine housings will restrict your HP levels to as low as 265.

There are a few other things we need to know about your vehicle as well so we can recommend the correct compressor/turbine wheel combination. Vehicle weight, type of racing, horsepower goals, etc. all play a part in the ideal selection for your individual application. It's always best to call prior to ordering so we can choose the best configuration for your vehicle.

Chris-TU

so i have to find the .63 a/r turbine housing pretty much that settles that. i have also been offered to buy the super 70 stuff for my turbo as well so im thinking that as long as my cartrige is good on my turbo i will probably buy that and try finding a .63 turbine housing. as for the motor its a 89t2 will be getting ported head bigger valves ported 2pc intake and exhaust mani's

[Chris W]

so i have to find the .63 a/r turbine housing pretty much that settles that. i have also been offered to buy the super 70 stuff for my turbo as well so im thinking that as long as my cartrige is good on my turbo i will probably buy that and try finding a .63 turbine housing. as for the motor its a 89t2 will be getting ported head bigger valves ported 2pc intake and exhaust mani's

Yes, if you are going to upgrade your turbo then finding a .63 A/R housing should be first on your list. What Super 70 items are you referring to? The reason I ask is because many sources have their own definition of "Super 70". We use a specific size/model compressor wheel which does not cause excessive compressor housing temperatures. There are individuals here that may offer the wrong size wheel based on what they consider a Super 70. If it's the wrong size wheel it can cause an increase in compressor outlet temperatures which will reduce performance and efficiency.

Did you say you had a local friend that will help with the turbo upgrade? Just make sure everything is balanced when you are done. Marking the compressor wheel, nut and turbine shaft locaton for re-assembly is not balancing it. Over time turbine and compressor wheels will become pitted which throws the balance off. Re-aligning everything only provides you with a false impression of being balanced. Using this method of balancing could lead to an even more expensive rebuild in the future.

Chris-TU

[JamesL]

so i have to find the .63 a/r turbine housing pretty much that settles that. SNIP.......

We have a few Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings in stock and several more on the way. Give Cindy a call and she can hook you up.

[Chris W]

We have a few Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings in stock and several more on the way. Give Cindy a call and she can hook you up.

One thing that you might not realize is the .63 A/R housings purchased within the last year will not work for your application. They will only work with F1 series Turbonetics turbine wheels. You will need the older style turbine housing designed specifically for the older Stage 1 wheel which is what came on your TII turbo.

Chris-TU

[bgbmxer]

just found out the t3 i had has a bent shaft so now i guess im looking for a different turbo all together

[JamesL]

We have a few Chrysler style .63 A/R turbine housings in stock and several more on the way. Give Cindy a call and she can hook you up.

As I said, give Cindy a call she has a few on the shelf and she can make sure you get what you need.

[Chris W]

just found out the t3 i had has a bent shaft so now i guess im looking for a different turbo all together

Give us a call or shoot us an email so we can spec out the right turbo for your application.

We have been selling in this community longer then any other vendor on this message board.

Chris-TU
602-76-BOOST
602-762-6678

[denviola]

Brandon, I know from other threads that you are getting some extensive port work and possibly you could take advantage of a hybrid turbo. I have all of that work on mine and based on having that and the opinion of the engine builder (Mike), I'm sticking with a stock T-3 for now, with the 3" swing valve and 3" exhaust. That should help it spool faster. I'm looking for street, track and autocross just as you are. There are a lot of threads on various sites telling you how to rebuild a turbo. I took a junk turbo and pulled it apart just to see how hard it really was. Soaked the bolts, used heat, made match marks, etc. Still broke a few bolts and once I saw what was inside and considered the RPM these things turn, decided that a vendor rebuild is really not a bad price after all.

Chatted with Mike again tonight and mentioned this thread (his internet access is still down). He wanted to tell you that even though he wrote one of the turbo rebuild threads, he is still sending his own out to Chris to ensure it gets balanced and rebuilt. All that and a warranty too.
Sometimes it's best to deal with an expert to make sure you get what you need. Just my $0.02.
Denny

[bgbmxer]

Brandon, I know from other threads that you are getting some extensive port work and possibly you could take advantage of a hybrid turbo. I have all of that work on mine and based on having that and the opinion of the engine builder (Mike), I'm sticking with a stock T-3 for now, with the 3" swing valve and 3" exhaust. That should help it spool faster. I'm looking for street, track and autocross just as you are. There are a lot of threads on various sites telling you how to rebuild a turbo. I took a junk turbo and pulled it apart just to see how hard it really was. Soaked the bolts, used heat, made match marks, etc. Still broke a few bolts and once I saw what was inside and considered the RPM these things turn, decided that a vendor rebuild is really not a bad price after all.

Chatted with Mike again tonight and mentioned this thread (his internet access is still down). He wanted to tell you that even though he wrote one of the turbo rebuils threads, he is still sending his own out to Chris to ensure it gets balanced and rebuilt. All that and a warranty too.
Sometimes it's best to deal with an expert to make sure you get what you need. Just my $0.02.
Denny

hey denny thanks for chipping in. i myself will not be rebuilding the turbo im just seeing what housing combos and things like that i can use my friend who works at diesel pro will be rebuilding it and doing all that work. after seeing how easy it is to put the t4 side on a t3 i am seeing that i can do this through a friend cheaper than buying a new one and get what i want also. the quality of the rebuild will not be an issue just trying to find out more about the stages and different size housings and if nothing else learn something in the process. i need a .63 exhaust housing and a 3inch sv would be nice also. the inlet side is still up in the air as of now.

[JamesL]

From the sound of it you need a rebuilt or new turbo. Denny makes a good point about consulting with the experts to get the right unit for your application. All of us vendors use a lot of the same experts. So yes by all means take the time to do your homework and talk to the experts. What ever direction you go we will be happy to provide any support you feel you need.

[BadAssPerformance]

OK, as far as I can tell, this thread was not directed to anyone specifically but rather ALL, and as a tech question, so all replies are welcome.

Both James and Chris, please play nice. I understand you are both in business to sell turbo's, however, this is a technical thread so lets keep it on that level. I think both of you have decent product to sell, so it is entirely ok to offer your assistance to prospective customers. I do not however appreciate any BS... like I said 'play nice'

Back on topic... I remember hearing that Turbonetics discontinued the old 'stage' wheels/housings in favor of the "F1" wheels/housings too. This took place over a year ago.

[Frank]

OK, as far as I can tell, this thread was not directed to anyone specifically but rather ALL, and as a tech question, so all replies are welcome.

Both James and Chris, please play nice. I understand you are both in business to sell turbo's, however, this is a technical thread so lets keep it on that level. I think both of you have decent product to sell, so it is entirely ok to offer your assistance to prospective customers. I do not however appreciate any BS... like I said 'play nice'

Back on topic... I remember hearing that Turbonetics discontinued the old 'stage' wheels/housings in favor of the "F1" wheels/housings too. This took place over a year ago.

Thanks and right on JT...