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    conical beehive springs?

    Ive been reading up on the 3.3 spring/ Gm lash adjuster swap.

    I have FWD +1mm bigger exhuast valves. My valvetrain ticks like crazy. I have a set of 2.4 lifters out of an 04 model. Wanted to also do the spring upgrade but have heard of problems of dropping valves. i have a heavily ported head and wisecos, I really cant afford to mess them up. Can I get away with this swap or am I limited to stock parts?

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spoolinhard View Post
    Ive been reading up on the 3.3 spring/ Gm lash adjuster swap.
    got a link for that?

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    No one is dropping valves using that setup.

    Use an LT1 beehive spring, GM 3100 retainers and your keepers. GLHNST or ? runs that setup. I did the old 3.3 springs on my 8valve but the stockers are too weak.
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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    _ _ 995's from Comp is what I run. They Magnum V8 springs. Same open/closed pressure's as an 061 spring, but lighter and no second dampner. Also can run a huge cam, I'd have to look but something like a .550 lift if I wanted before the springs bind up. Skip the 3.3 springs and go for the 995's.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 View Post
    Simon, It's really simple. Goes Like Hell aNd Stops Like Hell Turbo 2 Course now I need to change my nick to MaZi PoWereD GLH (MZIPWDGLH)
    Now you tell me,
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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 View Post
    _ _ 995's from Comp is what I run. They Magnum V8 springs. Same open/closed pressure's as an 061 spring, but lighter and no second dampner. Also can run a huge cam, I'd have to look but something like a .550 lift if I wanted before the springs bind up. Skip the 3.3 springs and go for the 995's.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2.216VTurbo View Post
    Sweet It's running? PICS! (Or are you keeping it a secret like all those other Masi guys?)
    Heh no Alan. It's got a long way to go. I don't have the cash flow you do so I spend a lot of time saving for the parts I want (GT35R and that tilton setup you have) before I can actually start putting it together. Also this was a couple weeks ago http://www.pnw-sdac.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3355 It looks mostly the same but I was able to get the door dug out. Here's my GLH http://www.pnw-sdac.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3370 I left the hood up cause it's usually able to handle the 5-6" of snow we get then it melts off and we get another 5-6" and repeat all winter. Well we got over 2ft at once then another bunch of snow and then it got warm and heavy and bent the hood support rod and maybe the hood. I haven't been out to see up close just what I can see from the pathway. Most of my free time this winter has been keeping the driveway's clear for my mother and grandmother and repairing the plow as I bent the framework for it trying to bust down 6ft berms left by the city plow drivers. My daytona is stuck in the shop. Even if I got the gate open I'd be wary about driving my g/f's Liberty down there and not getting stuck or hitting the retaining wall.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by GLHNSLHT2 View Post
    _ _ 995's from Comp is what I run. They Magnum V8 springs. Same open/closed pressure's as an 061 spring, but lighter and no second dampner. Also can run a huge cam, I'd have to look but something like a .550 lift if I wanted before the springs bind up. Skip the 3.3 springs and go for the 995's.

    Simon, It's really simple. Goes Like Hell aNd Stops Like Hell Turbo 2 Course now I need to change my nick to MaZi PoWereD GLH (MZIPWDGLH)
    I have a 318 magnum out of a 98 ram would those be the correct springs?
    If not where can I get the 995s?
    Last edited by spoolinhard; 02-05-2009 at 06:03 PM.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spoolinhard View Post
    I have a 318 magnum out of a 98 ram would those be the correct springs?
    If not where can I get the 995s?
    Those will be regular springs, not conical.

    BTW, I have some retainers for sale for conicals, $20 plus shipping,
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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Those will be regular springs, not conical.

    BTW, I have some retainers for sale for conicals, $20 plus shipping,
    How much shipped to US zip code 17057?

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by bris09 View Post
    How much shipped to US zip code 17057?
    If spoolinhard doesn't want them, I'll quote it out.
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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    If spoolinhard doesn't want them, I'll quote it out.
    Interested. How much shipped to 51503? Never had anything shipped from canada, is there any hastle?

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Also, where can I get 995s or LT1s?

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by spoolinhard View Post
    I believe these are the ones they are talking about.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Comp-...1%7C240%3A1318

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Bris has it right, Look around though. I think Comp and or summit has them cheaper. That's enough to do 2 heads too.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Unfortunately they all seem to be right around $200 for the set. I was debating seeing if anyone wanted to split a set.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Quote Originally Posted by bris09 View Post
    Unfortunately they all seem to be right around $200 for the set. I was debating seeing if anyone wanted to split a set.
    Pmed.

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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    Guys check out this, I can split them up and offer retainers-

    http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/sh...ewpost&t=34227
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    Re: conical beehive springs?

    http://boostedmopar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172

    read from start to finish, a very old thread but a great FAQ. Then there isn't any more questions on them. The cheapest way to do them is to buy the Comp spring but buy Chevy retainers. The Comp retainers are pricy. The 26995s are rated to .600" lift @ 1.7" installed. You may want the PTs too. If your stock lifters are wore the spring rate is high enough that the lifter will compress instead of the valve opening lol.

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