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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Sounds like you have a Bosch sensor. They don't go very far above 0.85V. For a custom tune, a WB is a must.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    just a ? were do i get a descent wide band ,gathering more parts for current prodject,i may have read it and not realize it but i all ready have the autometer in there ,can i keep the gauge in there (and have the lights bounce around for show ) and still have the wide band once i get one
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    search for wideband, there was a guy here D1Adkkdaldk soemthing that had an in on getting the innovate stuff at wholesale prices.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Can I put a wide band sensor in the stock location in the SV?
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    It is not recommended, it is too hot there. I think they want you to mount it 18 inches from the valve. I put mine right above the bend on the down pipe. I am planning on putting a plug on where the stock O2 sensor goes and have my wideband feed the computer a simulated narrow band signal.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    I just bought a Innovate LM-1 with the RPM cable today, has datalogging and a few other goodies, $360. They have a few more but only until Dec 31st.
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    I have the tech edge wideband and it gives me a PID unlock code (ie too hot) when things get hot at 20psi and wot. 15psi and wot its fine when i have it in the stock location. i need to move it.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by crazymadbastard View Post
    It is not recommended, it is too hot there. I think they want you to mount it 18 inches from the valve. I put mine right above the bend on the down pipe. I am planning on putting a plug on where the stock O2 sensor goes and have my wideband feed the computer a simulated narrow band signal.
    Although I would not recommend putting it there, I have mine in the SV. I know another person who has it there also with no ill effects. I do run the narrow band signal to the LM and it works great.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    yes it does work well but the negative consequences that you might face are reduced sensor life and decreased accuracy when the sensor shows an overheat condition.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by Aries_Turbo View Post
    yes it does work well but the negative consequences that you might face are reduced sensor life and decreased accuracy when the sensor shows an overheat condition.

    Brian
    Are the WBO2 sensors actual capabilities less than that of a narrow band sensor? It seems very odd to me that they would go with something so much more fragile than the previous generations of sensors. I have never seen the specs on either, but nor have I seen a factual post as to the heat tolerance variations either. That is what really got me to put it in there.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    Are the WBO2 sensors actual capabilities less than that of a narrow band sensor? It seems very odd to me that they would go with something so much more fragile than the previous generations of sensors. I have never seen the specs on either, but nor have I seen a factual post as to the heat tolerance variations either. That is what really got me to put it in there.
    Its probably due to it being so sensative that it makes it a tad more fragile!!
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Its probably due to it being so sensative that it makes it a tad more fragile!!
    I don't see how 20 years of time for improvement would not allow for a greater range of AF to be read without losing any durability. One step forward, two steps back.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    well who's got a VW turbo for refference to see where the sensor is stock, b/c thats the same sensor

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedeuphoria View Post
    well who's got a VW turbo for refference to see where the sensor is stock, b/c thats the same sensor
    That is a good point. Although most other turbo cars in the 80s had their sensors much farther away from the turbo than we did too. I know that my o2 sensors got a ton of life out of them.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedeuphoria View Post
    well who's got a VW turbo for refference to see where the sensor is stock, b/c thats the same sensor
    What year? I have a VW wrecker 2 doors down,
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    On my audi I have 4- IIRC one is probably 4-5 inches past the turbo.
    I want to cap of my swingvalve is to get better flow in the elbow(sv) and leave it at the downpipe.

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    My brother had his mounted about 6 inches from his turbine outlet. It lasted about 3 passes before it burned up. We moved it about 3 feet away from the turbine and now it works great.
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    My brother had his mounted about 6 inches from his turbine outlet. It lasted about 3 passes before it burned up. We moved it about 3 feet away from the turbine and now it works great.

    Was he running race gas?

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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    What year? I have a VW wrecker 2 doors down,
    I guess any that are turboed?
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    Re: why the wide band is better than the narrow band

    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    Was he running race gas?
    Actually the runs made on the original sensor were made on VP Streetblaze 103, which is unleaded.

    More recently on the new sensor we were running C16 and Q16, which are both leaded.
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