walbro 255 in tank pumps

[glhs727]

i'm proposing a group buy of walbro 255 pumps from fwdperformance. anyone interested?

The ORIGINAL post is about doing a group buy from FWD, there is no mention of TU in there.


This member sent me an email asking if I would do a group buy, I said I would be happy to do it. I told him I would put in on my site for $99 and it would last 2 weeks, no minimun of people needed.
Enough said!!!

later,
Cindy

[GLHSKEN]

Thanks for steppng up.....

[89daytonacs]

thats awesome cindy, thanks. i've got one in my shopping cart right now with a few other items.

[JamesL]

Really, I could care less which is why I told you to go buy one there. 99% of our products are less expensive then our competitors anyways not to mention we don't have a $8.00 "handling" charge. Let's see... $99. + $8. would put your pumps at $107. then wouldn't it???

I'm wondering what was going through your mind when I pointed that out

Bottom line here is I was trying to do something good here for the community and a few individuals want to turn it around to a let's beat up on the vendor thread. A whopping group buy of 10 pumps isn't going to get me any bigger break since my normal re-stock purchases are 20-30 at a time. The $130. discount for 10 pumps or $260. for 20 was coming directly out of TU's pocket, not my suppliers. Why am I getting beat up over this? As I mentioned before I PERMANENTLY dropped the market price $75. on the 3" DPs and $100. on pistons forcing our competitor to do the same. And your complaining about a few bucks here on a short term sale??? You guys crack me up

Chris-TU

Hey Chris, if your going to quote our prices, it would be nice if you would get them right! But then, why should we expect that?

For those who don't know, credit card companies not only charge you interest on outstanding balances, they charge companies that take credit cards a fee that can range from 2 to 3% plus an authorization fee. Some companies charge it back as a CC convenience fee, others handle it by raising their prices which only makes more money for the CC company. If you have no overhead, like running your business from your living room, you can probably afford to swallow it. If you want to avoid the fee, send a cashiers check. If you don't, we split the fee with you and call it handling. I’m not a big fan of CC companies and I don’t like to see them make any more money then their services are actually worth which is pretty close to zero in my mind.

I apologize if this thread has had a negative down turn. It started with a simple post about arranging a group buy with FWD (see post 1). We happily participated and even worked it out so there would be no minimum number of people who could benefit from the low price. Our competitor just can't help but try to bait us into a spat and distort our offerings. We certainly can't sit back and let them put out information to the public that is blatantly false. I hope you can appreciate our position.

James-FWDP

[Chris W]

Hey Chris, if your going to quote our prices, it would be nice if you would get them right! But then, why should we expect that?

For those who don't know, credit card companies not only charge you interest on outstanding balances, they charge companies that take credit cards a fee that can range from 2 to 3% plus an authorization fee. Some companies charge it back as a CC convenience fee, others handle it by raising their prices which only makes more money for the CC company. If you have no overhead, like running your business from your living room, you can probably afford to swallow it. If you want to avoid the fee, send a cashiers check. If you don't, we split the fee with you and call it handling. I’m not a big fan of CC companies and I don’t like to see them make any more money then their services are actually worth which is pretty close to zero in my mind.

I apologize if this thread has had a negative down turn. It started with a simple post about arranging a group buy with FWD (see post 1). We happily participated and even worked it out so there would be no minimum number of people who could benefit from the low price. Our competitor just can't help but try to bait us into a spat and distort our offerings. We certainly can't sit back and let them put out information to the public that is blatantly false. I hope you can appreciate our position.

James-FWDP

James, I apologize for misquoting your handling charge. The information was provided to us by a few ex-FWDP customers. Since we don't purchase from FWDP we have no idea how you calculate and pass on those bank interchange fees. Thanks for enlightening everyone on how exactly you "split" those CC fees with your customers.

I should have stated in my earlier post that TU's Group Buy price was $105. with no additional fees. When Roachjuice repeatedly posted that FWDP had undercut us at $99. (AFTER we had offered them@$105.) I felt compelled to point out to him that it wasn't the "actual price" because the handling fees had been ommitted.

i like to see the actual price your selling the item to the customer. ...........
......and fwdperformance has the 255 pump on sale for 99 bucks.

95% of our orders are placed with CCs so TU was able to negotiate a VERY low fee schedule for our CC transactions. I suggest you do the same with your CC processor James then maybe then you can afford a house on the lake..

TU absorbs all the CC interchange fees because we consider this a normal part of doing business. We then write them off at the end of the year as most legitimate businesses do. My question to you James is, why are you even charging customers a CC fee and why aren't you writing these fees off at the end of the year? Or, maybe you ARE writing them off and just using the interchange fees as a way of padding the sale and also as an excuse to charge a handling fee. Well, I know that our CC company forbids us from adding ANY fees to an order if the customer has decided to use a CC instead of a Check/MO. In fact, I believe Mastercard and Visa also enforce that rule so you might want to quickly edit your public post above about your business practices.


Here are the facts on this whole thread-

TU was approached by the 89daytonacs to offer a Group Buy for the Walboro 255HP Fuel Pumps. He informed us that they had also requested the same from FWDP but FWDP had failed to respond. It wasn't until AFTER TU made our offer to the community that FWDP stepped up to the plate by undercutting our price (before the hidden fees of course ). We did not distort your offer, we made our offer FIRST and you distorted ours. We stated nothing that was blatantly false, we just pointed out that the $99. cost did not include the "handling" fee which you admitted exists in your previous post. We did not bait you into a spat, you baited us with your post above. I am still not getting the point of your previous post. Was there one?

Please SOMEONE lock this thread before it gets worse.

Chris-TU

[glhs727]

Please SOMEONE lock this thread before it gets worse.

Chris-TU

Please hurry!!! why Chris has the last word

Gosh, I can't believe how much you can embelish a statement (or several for that matter) to make people believe something that isn't. You really should have gone into politics

Ha, heard it from ex-FWDP customers...... negotiated a really low fee.......95% of our orders are CC (yes, cc through paypal, similar but not the same).....again, just more half truths from the TU marketing spin zone.

Chris, people don't really care if their total price is seperated out into cost, handling fee, and real shipping cost, or if its cost including shipping, handling, free sticker...whatever. People just want their parts at fair (total) prices, shipped quick, and good customer service. Your constant nitpicking of us, unprovoked just shows what kind of person you are. You always have to have the last word, we all remember those 10 page threads of the arguments you used to have with Gary when he ran RR. And this is just one more example of YOU dragging us into a vendor spat thread. When Roachjuice stated our price, you used that as an opportunity to spout misinformation about us, in a weak attempt to make TU look better. When James has to come on here to explain our fee, only because of your misinformation, and not because our customers seem to mind since we have done this since the beginning without complaints from our customers, you again come on here to spout more BS, and then ask the mods to hurry up and close the thread. Why? so no one will get a chance to refute your erroneous claims, ha, nice....
I have no problem not saying crap about TU on the list (although I could, over and over again) but unfortunetly you can't do the same. So just quit trying to start crap all the time with us. We really don't care what you sell, who you sell to, or at what price you sell. You are a non-entity to us, and if you didn't keep dragging us into these threads having to refute your lies, we would NOT discuss you/TU at all.
later,
Cindy

[Chris W]

Ha, heard it from ex-FWDP customers...... negotiated a really low fee.......95% of our orders are CC (yes, cc through paypal, similar but not the same).....again, just more half truths from the TU marketing spin zone.

We have been accepting credit cards orders (separate from PayPal) over the phone and through the internet for almost two years now. In fact, we processed many of these orders this week while our site was down. And AGAIN, we don't pass fees down to the customer that we write off at the end of the year. It's just not fair to the customer to have to pay for something that we are eventually compensated for.

Chris, people don't really care if their total price is seperated out into cost, handling fee, and real shipping cost, or if its cost including shipping, handling, free sticker...whatever. People just want their parts at fair (total) prices, shipped quick, and good customer service.

Well, from what roachjuice requested he clearly stated that he was looking for the "actual price your selling the item to the customer." Especially since he is balking over a $6.00 difference I would expect that to mean he wants the BOTTOM DOLLAR PRICE not one where he winds up paying more $ for a hidden "handling" fee in the end that should not have been passed down to the customers in the first place. Shipped quick? Anyone can rebox a product and ship it. But how about cylinder head work, engine work, turbo repairs. I can bring up example after example if you wish. As I said it might be best to close this thread now for your sake. Oh, and before you bring it up, all TU cals orders have either been filled or refunded.

Your constant nitpicking of us, unprovoked just shows what kind of person you are. You always have to have the last word, we all remember those 10 page threads of the arguments you used to have with Gary when he ran RR. And this is just one more example of YOU dragging us into a vendor spat thread. When Roachjuice stated our price, you used that as an opportunity to spout misinformation about us, in a weak attempt to make TU look better. When James has to come on here to explain our fee, only because of your misinformation, and not because our customers seem to mind since we have done this since the beginning without complaints from our customers, you again come one here to spout more BS, and then ask the mods to hurry up and close the thread. Why? so no one will get a chance to refute your erroneous claims, ha, nice....

No, it was to save FWDP the continued embarassment of getting caught charging an extra fee for CC transactions which you knowingly get compensated for later. We can continue this if you wish, but James already admitted this fact to everyone publicly. So, you don't think your customers mind paying a bogus "fee"? NICE Just like they didn't mind paying $50. to join the Phantom FWD Race team and then telling them later that they could only get their money back by spending an additional $1,000. with your company. Now THAT'S Marketing! All for a race team that never happened. Nothing like riding on the coat tails of Stefan's hard work. I am only spouting FACTS here, not BS.

Look Cindy, I apologized and took back that I brought up about your "handling" fee by rewording my post. I merely pointed out roachjuices oversite of the handling fee, that's all. Just comparing apples to apples for the customers. Why are you still arguing???

I have no problem not saying crap about TU on the list (although I could, over and over again) but unfortunetly you can't do the same. So just quit trying to start crap all the time with us. We really don't care what you sell, who you sell to, or at what price you sell. You are a non-entity to us, and if you didn't keep dragging us into these threads having to refute your lies, we would discuss you/TU at all.
later,
Cindy

Refute what lie? James already spilled the beans on the handling fee. I am just repeating what he already said.

PLEASE STOP THIS CINDY...

Chris-TU

[glhs727]

It's just not fair to the customer to have to pay for something that we are eventually compensated for.

We don't get compensated for paying credit card fees. What you really mean is that it is an expense that can be deducted from your overall tax liability when you do your business taxes.

Shipped quick? Anyone can rebox a product and ship it.

How true and no one knows better than YOU about that! You're the king of drop ship! You don't even rebox the stuff, you just have companies like Arizona Turbo and Tractor just ship directly for you. Do you think people really believe you personally build the turbos you sell?

Oh, and before you bring it up, all TU cals orders have either been filled or refunded.

Well, I wasn't planning on bringing it up, you did!!

Just like they didn't mind paying $50. to join the Phantom FWD Race team and then telling them later that they could only get their money back by spending an additional $1,000. with your company.

Actually you didn't have to buy anything from us to get a refund on that. We offered a refund immediately when we found out Stephane couldn't race. Only one person took us up on it. The rest had no problem with us using it for Mike Stimac, James Reeves, Rob Pachner and Warren Stramer. In additon, for every $1 we took from that program we added in additional $4
of our OWN money to help these guys out in sponsorship. And we continue to sponsor these guys with what they need even now, even after we discontinued that program.

So really, why are YOU still on here arguing? I wouldn't be here if you would shut up already
later
Cindy

[Chris W]

We don't get compensated for paying credit card fees. What you really mean is that it is an expense that can be deducted from your overall tax liability when you do your business taxes.

It may not be 100% compensation in the end, but, that's the cost of running a business. The customers shouldn't be held responsible for "splitting" those fees with the merchant.

How true and no one knows better than YOU about that! You're the king of drop ship! You don't even rebox the stuff, you just have companies like Arizona Turbo and Tractor just ship directly for you. Do you think people really believe you personally build the turbos you sell?

We have used them in the past, but, they provide no warranty so we now deal with several other reputable companies that stand behind their work. Some of them are local and some are not (Turbonetics, Turbo Electric, AGP Turbo, AZ Turbo Auto Diesel, etc.) so now we can offer the best possible product at the best possible price for our customers.

Actually you didn't have to buy anything from us to get a refund on that. We offered a refund immediately when we found out Stephane couldn't race.

My point here is you marketed something from the start that you knew would never come to fruition. You were initially talking about Stephane coming in to be the shop foreman, Fabricator, porter, Engine builder, Dyno tuner, etc. You said he would wear many hats at FWDP. Then James said something about Stephane coming in on an "Athlete's Visa". An Athlete's visa is only good for someone entering the country to engage in a sporting event and he can only be compensated for that event, not employed full time at a shop. You guys didn't have a clue... But that didn't stop you from collecting the donations for something you knew wasn't going to happen. Nice

So really, why are YOU still on here arguing? I wouldn't be here if you would shut shut up already
later
Cindy

Chris-TU shutting up

[GLHSKEN]

I would suggest all non-interested parties Keep their .02 out of this thread. Your posts from this point forward WILL BE DELETED.

Since both vendors want to bicker like school children, AGAIN, I am keeping their posts intact.

[glhs727]

My point here is you marketed something from the start that you knew would never come to fruition. You were initially talking about Stephane coming in to be the shop foreman, Fabricator, porter, Engine builder, Dyno tuner, etc. You said he would wear many hats at FWDP. Then James said something about Stephane coming in on an "Athlete's Visa". An Athlete's visa is only good for someone entering the country to engage in a sporting event and he can only be compensated for that event, not employed full time at a shop. You guys didn't have a clue... But that didn't stop you from collecting the donations for something you knew wasn't going to happen.

I'm not interested in bickering. FWDP DID NOT start any of it. If Chris would stop throwing out these lies and half truths he calls factual, then we wouldn't have to step in and set the record straight. The latest about us taking donations for Stephane's racing knowing full well he wasn't going to be able to fill his committments is just the latest in this ridicluous thread. Yes, we invested thousands in building expansion, equipment, legal fees etc... to help Stephane get over here just so we could dupe 30 people out of $50 each, then spent thousands more of our own money to help the other TD racers even though we knew Stephane couldn't stay. Come on, how ridicluous is Chris' claim. Chris really reached deep into the bottom of the barrell to pull that accusation out. BTW we had more than one visa working (not just the althete visa which we got first so he COULD race and be compensated, but you obviously have no clue how legal immigration works)
Anymore "non-factual" factual accusations you want to bring up?
You should just let this thread die, since the more you write, the more retarded your claims get.
later,
Cindy

[JamesL]

It may not be 100% compensation in the end, but, that's the cost of running a business. The customers shouldn't be held responsible for "splitting" those fees with the merchant.

It can die after I point out this ridiculous assertion. With all that college training you think a businessman like yourself would know what Cost of Goods sold is. I wonder how many real businesses would still be in business if they didn't take the time to understand their overall overhead and factor that into the price of their goods? So along with my banking fees, I should not factor in my utilities, marketing cost, telecom, office supplies, legal, insurance, shipping supplies, labor, outside serves....etc, ad nausium because they are deductable on my taxes.....ridiculous and you really are lost if you think so. I'm sure you don't itemize any of that on your taxes.

[Chris W]

We tripled our purchasing volume with our supplier today and renegotiated our prices to bring down our costs. Sorry I couldn't do that earlier but our supplier is closed through the weekend. Our "Special" pricing is $95. per kit (No Handling Fees and No Hidden Costs) and we are going to try and make this a permanent price as long as we can count on everyone's continued participation. I am working on knocking down the '90 and up kits even lower so if you need one of those you may want to wait a few more days to order until I have finished with the negotiations.

Here's the link:

http://turbosunleashed.com/shop/prod...roducts_id=140

Chris-TU
College Educated
Customer Service Motivated

[Chris W]

We negotiated a price of $90. on the '90 and newer Walboro 255HP fuel pumps. Once again, no hidden costs or handling fees.

The link for the Fuel pumps is here:

http://turbosunleashed.com/shop/prod...roducts_id=140

Thanks for your support!

Chris-TU

[JamesL]

We negotiated a price of $90. on the '90 and newer Walboro 255HP fuel pumps. Once again, no hidden costs or handling fees.

The link for the Fuel pumps is here:

http://turbosunleashed.com/shop/prod...roducts_id=140

Thanks for your support!

Chris-TU