Got the new pump tonight.. Thanks MoparBoyy! Not to put it in while doing some serious finger crossing!
Got the new pump tonight.. Thanks MoparBoyy! Not to put it in while doing some serious finger crossing!
JT
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best of luck JT.
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Did anyone else notice that the inside drive part of the oil pump gears has changed on the newer pumps? Thin this might help out the breakage problems?
Dean Stillie
87 Shelby Z 2.4 Turbo 9.06@146.05
82 Rampage 2.4 Turbo 10.14@138.02
1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info
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Well so far I think FWD's CSX aka Kevin Davis' old car is the only one left standing with stock oil pump and an alum underdrive pulley. BUT his is a NA oil pump, as in lower volume but they may have different gear specs also??(million dollar question)
The inner diameter of the inside gears looks to have more "flutes" on it to keep it centred on the crank. Maye this is to help with gear bind that DCR was mentioning
Also I have heard of these gears breaking on brand new cars one cyl head I have was scored because of an oil pump failure on a pt cruiser as it was driven off the lot the first time car had 50 klms on it
Last edited by Rampage16V; 06-10-2010 at 05:20 PM.
Dean Stillie
87 Shelby Z 2.4 Turbo 9.06@146.05
82 Rampage 2.4 Turbo 10.14@138.02
Its funny, imports have used this setup for years and not ONE issue.
1989 FWD Turbo Caravan-2.5 TIII, GT35R, auto, a/c, cruise, pwr windows/locks, fully loaded with interior and ran with full exhaust. RETIRED FOR A FEW YEARS! 12.57@104 :O)
1984 Chev Getaway van, 6.2 Diesel with a remote mounted turbo setup burning WMO-For sale.
2003 GSW 2.0L TDI, auto, fully loaded, modified, 360K-wife's.
2004 GSW TDI, 5 speed, fully loaded, modified.
Aurora ignition wires for sale. Link to info
Super60 roller cams or custom/billet cams. Link to info
I don't know much about imports, but did they use an absurd 4" stroke crankshaft? You know from experience that long stroke on an inline 4cyl sets up a wicked second order vibration. This whole oil pump gear breakage with the 2.4L (and 2.0L's with aluminum pulleys BTW) concerns me greatly.
I've thought about mocking up a chain driven oil pump where the balance shaft assembly mounts. The world engines drive the oil pump off the back of the balance shaft setup. The 1.8L does not use balance shafts and drives only an oil pump below the crank. I mean the gear is already on the crank, why not use it? Do any other engines do this?
Edit: World engine balance shafts/oil pumps are not driven by chain. They are helical gear driven from the center of the crankshaft.
Last edited by glhs0426; 06-10-2010 at 11:33 PM.
Interesting Dean, I think the pump that broke has less releif in the grooves than the new one... hard to tell now that its all shroomed open, and I didnt find a good pic of the before carnage pump...
Well, oil pump primed full of lube and installed, oil pan on, cams in and degreed, timing belt on... still have to do:
-install front motor mount and trans to engine girdle
-cross fingers
-install UD pulley and alternator belt
-cross fingers
-install/indicate crank trigger
-cross fingers
-red-route oil gauge and turbo-supply plumping
-cross fingers
-fill with oil
-cross fingers
-bolt valvecover on
-cross fingers
-install cam sensor
-cross fingers
-bolt coil on
-cross fingers
-connect misc wires
-cross fingers
-prime oil system
-cross fingers
-put plugs in and connect wires
-cross fingers
-apply assm lube to hamster wheel and fill its water bottle
-cross fingers
-fire it up
-cross fingers
JT
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I don't know man. If I were you I'd be crossing my fingers.
Mike Marra
1986 Plymouth Horizon GLMF "The Contraption" < entertaining sponsorship offers
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Thanks for the luck guys! Heck even W is pulling for the Z
JT
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I'd wish you luck JT but I don't think you will need it with all that finger crossing.
Do you have a rabits foot hanging fromt he end of your 3/8 ratchet by chance.
I can't wait to see this thing run in person, I will definately have to make a Chicago track day soon.
KO, 86 T&C Turbo II 89 Daytona Shelby 84 Stingray SVB165SS
I'm playing to the turbo gods for you that the car runs and holds together! I seen alot of cars roll thru the dealership and parts store that *shouldn't* be running, but were.. so... hopefully this one will be ok!
"I'll give you anything you'll ever need and I'll find a way to turn you into a monster."
Mike Marra
1986 Plymouth Horizon GLMF "The Contraption" < entertaining sponsorship offers
Project Log:
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?69708-The-Contraption-2013-14&highlight=
Mike Marra
1986 Plymouth Horizon GLMF "The Contraption" < entertaining sponsorship offers
Project Log:
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?69708-The-Contraption-2013-14&highlight=
Mike Marra
1986 Plymouth Horizon GLMF "The Contraption" < entertaining sponsorship offers
Project Log:
http://www.turbo-mopar.com/forums/showthread.php?69708-The-Contraption-2013-14&highlight=