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Thread: BadAss SRT-Z - 2.4L / A568 - Update!!!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Another oil pump failure with an aluminum pulley. Well that settles it. There's another big money part to buy before I can start my project. I'm convinced the oil pump gears are breaking due to vibration and the ATI is the only safe way (RPM explosion) to combat that vibration.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Agreed the rampage has an alum pulley on it too and I think that is what happened to it. The Shelby Z has the ATI pulley

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Don't they have an oil pump upgade kit for the 2.4 ?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by tinyturbo View Post
    Don't they have an oil pump upgade kit for the 2.4 ?
    Yep, maybe time to run the DCR oil pump or the other brands available, if there are any.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    I'd say go DCR if you got the money!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Pretty sure DCR no longer makes the billet oil pumps, maybe just the gears? Once ppl realized the pump was a bandaid rather than a fix, I don't think they sold many.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Pretty sure DCR no longer makes the billet oil pumps, maybe just the gears? Once ppl realized the pump was a bandaid rather than a fix, I don't think they sold many.
    Yup, I guess you are right....on their website they just show coated gears.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    DCR no longer makes the billet gears because, as far as Darrell says, they found the coated gears were strong enough and much cheaper so there was no need for billet. Rage-Tek also carries them though I've heard sketchy things about their service lately. Then again when you're competing with Darrell for the service award...... I personally have a set of billet gears b/c a local guy was selling a new set and I already had the pump. Darrell would not sell them seperate.

    http://www.rage-tek.com/product.php?...cat=252&page=1

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    like John said above, powdered metal.. guess its a lot softer
    Powdered metal is very hard, but brittle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    DCR no longer makes the billet gears because, as far as Darrell says, they found the coated gears were strong enough and much cheaper so there was no need for billet.
    That's funny are they're pumps cheaper now though?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rampage16V View Post
    That's funny are they're pumps cheaper now though?
    http://www.dcrsrt.com/index.php?act=...d&productId=34

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rampage16V View Post
    That's funny are they're pumps cheaper now though?
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    i still find it hard to believe that just running no dampner (stock or fluid) could cause oil pump gear failures.
    i've also read that people are breaking oil pump gears with stock pulleys...

    in your case i'd say that by skipping timing belt teeth (could be tensioner failure, over spinning the engine, ....) there has been some kind of shock momentum/force to the crank transferring to the gears which killed the them.
    i also don't think that any dampner device would have saved your oil pump, respectevly the gears.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Dodge View Post
    i still find it hard to believe that just running no dampner (stock or fluid) could cause oil pump gear failures.
    i've also read that people are breaking oil pump gears with stock pulleys...

    in your case i'd say that by skipping timing belt teeth (could be tensioner failure, over spinning the engine, ....) there has been some kind of shock momentum/force to the crank transferring to the gears which killed the them.
    i also don't think that any dampner device would have saved your oil pump, respectevly the gears.
    I don't find it hard to believe. Why do you think most engines run some form of damper? The crankshaft takes tons of abuse, twisting, resonating and dampers absorb this. I've been told by racing buddy's that used stock dampers on their V8's that they'd rebearing every weekend, put a decent one on, IE Fluidamper and problem solved.

    I put a Fluidamper on my 6.2 diesel, and the difference was night and day, so much so, it changed the sound of the engine and all vibration dissapeared.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    PT Performance Billet Damper for SRT-4. I'm not endorsing this product. Just letting you know its out there.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    PT Performance Billet Damper for SRT-4. I'm not endorsing this product. Just letting you know its out there.

    http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f241...9/#post8507578
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Wish we had one.
    What do you mean?
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    What do you mean?
    Wish we had a proper balancer, would smooth things out alot.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    What do you mean?
    i think he means "we" as in "2.2 and 2.5L guys" rather than 2.0 and 2.4L owners which have harmonic dampers available.

    simon, they would have to be awful small. you saw what happened to slowe when he put a nice, big balancer on the end of the small 2.2L crank snout.

    to make it reliable, its going to have to be bolted to where the balance shaft chain attached to, and we'd have to run a bigger seal for the damper adapters larger diameter. its just not feasible for the masses. one off? sure. off the shelf part? not so much.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Wish we had a proper balancer, would smooth things out alot.
    We do.... it's called "counterweights" on the crankshaft

    One of the biggest downfalls of the 2.2/2.5 is the tiny snout. Surprised they survive as much abuse as they do (except in Brian's case)

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