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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Correct, '91 big spline

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    For years and years it was the autos that were unreliable..... Dammit!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeves View Post
    For years and years it was the autos that were unreliable..... Dammit!
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Don't worry Reeves, Simon is helping to keep it on the top of the list!!!
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reeves View Post
    For years and years it was the autos that were unreliable..... Dammit!
    you guys need to spend a small fortune on them, up grade what breaks instead of replacing parts with 20+ year old stock parts. Its like an old dead whore, she'll do in a pinch but when you really hammer on her she just falls apart.

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    So erm, go and find a really good taxidermist???
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ohiorob View Post
    you guys need to spend a small fortune on them, up grade what breaks instead of replacing parts with 20+ year old stock parts. Its like an old dead whore, she'll do in a pinch but when you really hammer on her she just falls apart.
    LOL, hilarious Rob! I cannot beleive the thread got this long before our first dead hooker analogy

    I couldn't agree more, and throwing this thing back together, including the 3rd gear that came out of it last time it was apart, was pretty much just to make the Monster Mopar Weekend and try to finish the season... and I'm starting to learn enough about these things to start trying to design stuff.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Yikes. If you're driving all the way out to monster Mopar you should bring a spare trans.

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    LOL... The though had crossed my mind, but this is the only one I have clearanced for the ACT clutch and already set up with an OBX... and running out of spare time. Was thinking about trying to get it together to shake ti down Sunday, but this cat doesn;t have too many more lives, probably better to save em till Monster, LOL

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turbovanman View Post
    Lol,
    How many guys are having success with stock autos in the 450-500HP range? It seems like all of these failures are coming in cars which are hovering around the 500HP mark?

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    That's probably true... though there's wear and maintenance failures, and driver error failures at HP levels below that. Basically 150,000 mile trannies without upgrades or having the bands adjusted regular, or even the fluid changed, won't stand being beat on for long even at "only" 150HP.... and one tire fires will break the diff of course, but it's the same with some of the manuals.

    That said though, less than $50 and a good shape auto, will get you into realms where clutches get spendy for manuals, but go more than 300HP or so they need proper "stoutening" (Clutch packs, band struts etc) which is still not all that expensive to DIY, apart from custom torque convertors, and then as you say, things start to get difficult around 500HP, input shafts, output shafts, case weaknesses... in which some luck of the draw is involved.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    it seems to me that the biggest issue with the manuals at this point is that damn intermediate shaft bearing.

    i wonder if there is an off the shelf bearing that will press onto the shaft (without the race) and press into the case like the original or the other way around. it will make reassembly a bit more difficult but if it solves the race walking issue or the shaft wear issue on a 555 even if it requires a touch of machining, it would be worth it IMO.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by black86glhs View Post
    Don't worry Reeves, Simon is helping to keep it on the top of the list!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cordes View Post
    How many guys are having success with stock autos in the 450-500HP range? It seems like all of these failures are coming in cars which are hovering around the 500HP mark?
    Lots last at that power, its me who weigh's 3700 lbs that is having issues. Look at Dean Stillie, BSX, SMP etc, all making 1000 whp or less and survive.

    Right now, working on a 300m output shaft and matching front planetary.

    True the TC is expensive but comparative to a decent clutch. Building one properly is time consuming if you have to weld the case up.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    I see the replacement bearing for the front of the int. shaft being a major issue for us 520/555 guys. It is thinner than the original and that allows it to move towards the bell housing in the case. What if you put a spacer in there to keep it from pressing away from the int shaft and keep it flush with the the inside of the case? I agree with Brian that another bearing that was better would be the best, but until it is found......
    What about some type of girdle that goes over the top of the of the diff and bolts over the bearing support on the left and the ext housing and a second piece that goes under the diff and does the same. It could be one piece but I was thinking 2 piece for ease of install and working around. Guess it would be "sort of" like the 525 girdle.
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Really would need to get soem high speed video of one on a run to see how/where it is flexing.

    Well, after a busy week with working on the car and the day job, including driving to Detroit and back today... thrashing more this evening... IT RUNS AGAIN! ... and its on radials and I'm about to print out the insurance card so i can drive it to the show tomorrow

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Pics of said carnage,

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Carnage!
    -Walked off bearing race
    -Cracked 3rd gear syncro ring
    -Worn bearing support plate

    Changed Parts:
    -different 3rd gear (the one that came out last year)
    -different used 3 & 4 syncro rings
    -different used bearing support plate
    -swapped 1 and 2 syncro rings back-forth, who needs syncro on 1st? LOL
    -doubled up sprinsg on sliders

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    -put work pads back in to get more testing on them
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Update on 600 lb/in springs on the street... Cruised to the "Fall Color" car show yesterday and it rode well, even over some bumps. I did turn the front to "full soft" before the crusie tho. Some folks might not like it, but I prefer to feel the road. .... and this REALLY makes me want to start on the next project, road race Shadow/CSX

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    JT just watch for cracks on the firewall above the exhaust tunnel with higher rate springs ( you need to find them when they are starting and fix them while they are small ) this is where a full roll cage helps take the flex out of the body.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    looks good. you really need wheel spacers to bring those srt rims to the edge of the body. the car makes those 17's look tiny.

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