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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Thanks everyone... gotta figure out how to use all that mph, LOL!

    Yeah DJ that might work... did your Shadow have a factory clutch switch? I might try to rob the Neon for parts too. LOL

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Turbodave and I raided the pick-n-pull Saturday and part of the mission was to claim as many different clutch switches as possible. Here are most of them, from left to right:

    1G Neon - Saturn - Celica - Nissan - Mazda



    The first three are floor mounted, all normally open switches. The other two are top mount and one is n/o the other n/c.

    I decided to use the GM sensor as it by far has the largest target width and throw.

    I have it wired into the DIS-2 Plus box and in series with a thumb button so it is not always active. Tried it out in the driveway tonight in neutral and it seems to work OK... gotta think a bit about how forgiving the neighbors would be it I let it go down the block
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Turbodave and I raided the pick-n-pull Saturday and part of the mission was to claim as many different clutch switches as possible. Here are most of them, from left to right:

    1G Neon - Saturn - Celica - Nissan - Mazda



    The first three are floor mounted, all normally open switches. The other two are top mount and one is n/o the other n/c.

    I decided to use the GM sensor as it by far has the largest target width and throw.

    I have it wired into the DIS-2 Plus box and in series with a thumb button so it is not always active. Tried it out in the driveway tonight in neutral and it seems to work OK... gotta think a bit about how forgiving the neighbors would be it I let it go down the block
    I just went through this with the Charger, fortunatly I had a parts car in the back with factory cruise, so I used that switch. The unfortunate part was Not getting it working in time to use it at the track!

    Should make a big difference, more control on the launch, more consistant and I'm thinking Easier to dial in the slicks for traction!

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Wait what are you wiring the clutch switch into the DIS2+ for? 2-step?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Nice runs, JT!
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Looks good JT. A bit of a different theory than myself but it should work great. I made my switch so it comes on just as the clutch is engaging. The main reason being I can also use it for flat shifting so I wanted it to come on as soon as possible. But I think that should work just fine for LC.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Here's a dumb Q. Don't the Daytonas come with a factory cruise cut-out switch mounted to the top of the clutch peddle?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Some may have but I'm pretty sure in 87 none of the TII cars were available with cruise
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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Should make a big difference, more control on the launch, more consistant and I'm thinking Easier to dial in the slicks for traction!
    I sure hope so!

    Quote Originally Posted by SebringLX View Post
    Wait what are you wiring the clutch switch into the DIS2+ for? 2-step?
    Exactly!

    Quote Originally Posted by contraption22 View Post
    Nice runs, JT!
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    Looks good JT. A bit of a different theory than myself but it should work great. I made my switch so it comes on just as the clutch is engaging. The main reason being I can also use it for flat shifting so I wanted it to come on as soon as possible. But I think that should work just fine for LC.
    Hmmm.... so you have it drop down to launch RPM when you shift?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    Here's a dumb Q. Don't the Daytonas come with a factory cruise cut-out switch mounted to the top of the clutch peddle?
    Quote Originally Posted by blk86trbo View Post
    Some may have but I'm pretty sure in 87 none of the TII cars were available with cruise
    Yep, no cruise on 87 T-II...

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Yep, no cruise on 87 T-II...
    What! No way, every TII Shelby Daytona I've owned has had cruise, I'm sure of it! Although, they may have all been 88 and up?

    Switch from an 88 won't work?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    What! No way, every TII Shelby Daytona I've owned has had cruise, I'm sure of it! Although, they may have all been 88 and up?

    Switch from an 88 won't work?
    Maybe 89? It might work, but it was easier for me to find something more plentiful in the yards. None of the older TMs these days

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Hmmm.... so you have it drop down to launch RPM when you shift?

    Here is the MS launch control.



    You pick the RPM at which it start retarding when activated. Then you pick the timing value you want it to retard to. The lower the value the more boost you can make. When I had it at 6.5 degrees I was getting up to 11psi at the line. Next is the throttle position that it becomes enabled above when the input is grounded to activate followed by the hard RPM limit. Below that you choose wether you want a fuel cut, spark cut or both. With a spark cut you can choose how many events out of how many you want to cut.

    Further down you have the flat shift arming point. So if the input is grounded above this RPM it will act as a flat shift. From there you have seperate settings like the LC for retard above RPM, retard to degrees, and hard RPM limit. It will use the same x from y events that the LC uses as well as the limiter method.

    All in all it's pretty good for an inexpensive ECU.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    Here is the MS launch control.



    You pick the RPM at which it start retarding when activated. Then you pick the timing value you want it to retard to. The lower the value the more boost you can make. When I had it at 6.5 degrees I was getting up to 11psi at the line. Next is the throttle position that it becomes enabled above when the input is grounded to activate followed by the hard RPM limit. Below that you choose wether you want a fuel cut, spark cut or both. With a spark cut you can choose how many events out of how many you want to cut.

    Further down you have the flat shift arming point. So if the input is grounded above this RPM it will act as a flat shift. From there you have seperate settings like the LC for retard above RPM, retard to degrees, and hard RPM limit. It will use the same x from y events that the LC uses as well as the limiter method.

    All in all it's pretty good for an inexpensive ECU.
    This is deff the kind of stuff we need to start wrapping our heads around if we want to stay manuel and represent!

    The rest of the FWD world has been out-technologying us and I say Enoughs Enough!

    It's time to take a stand and instal SH!T like this into our dino-cars and pick up 2-3tenths or more and have even less wear on our trannys!

    Who's ,with me?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Yeap I was using it on my car to 0 degrees timing at 3500 then hard limit at 4000 but never reached it the boost was up there on the launch

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow View Post
    What! No way, every TII Shelby Daytona I've owned has had cruise, I'm sure of it! Although, they may have all been 88 and up?

    Switch from an 88 won't work?
    Yep, definitely no cruise control on the '87 Shelby Z. (or any Turbo II car that year). The story was that the intercooler hoses were run through were the cruise control servo was mounted and they didn't have he new mounting bracket that moved it out of the way ready in time (probably a design oversight as this was before CATIA so, it was left out of those cars. It is in the logic module but no servo there to drive it. Probably not too difficult to retro-fit with the later servo bracket and a switch of the steering column to add the stalk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleckster View Post
    It is in the logic module but no servo there to drive it. Probably not too difficult to retro-fit with the later servo bracket and a switch of the steering column to add the stalk.
    Dang John you read my mind, thanks for posting the info on the LM...although I don't believe the wiring for it is in the harness?

    Also JT, thanks to you and all the other "pioneers" that are out there doing the modding/repairing/sacrificing! Your trial and error sessions will ultimately save additional parts and cars from the scrapyard
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    Well I see how you can do that stuff with an MS... you can't do all that with a DIS2+, which it sounds like JT is using.

    The 2-step function on the DIS2 is controlled by 2 wires. Blue for rev limit, Pink for step retard. It's a simple on/off only. When the blue wire is grounded, rev limit is active. When the pink wire is grounded, timing is retarded.

    I did not know you wanted to retard timing in addition to limiting revs when setting up a 2-step, that's good info, 'cause when I get mine back from MSD, I'll be setting it up.

    If you connect the blue and pink wires to the clutch switch, and set the dials to say 4000rpm and 10* retard, then every time you push the clutch, it's going to activate. I see that going very badly when you try to shift. Or is the clutch switch not going behind the clutch?

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by fleckster View Post
    Yep, definitely no cruise control on the '87 Shelby Z. (or any Turbo II car that year). The story was that the intercooler hoses were run through were the cruise control servo was mounted and they didn't have he new mounting bracket that moved it out of the way ready in time (probably a design oversight as this was before CATIA so, it was left out of those cars. It is in the logic module but no servo there to drive it. Probably not too difficult to retro-fit with the later servo bracket and a switch of the steering column to add the stalk.
    good thing i kept with a 87 t1 harness in my daytona and converted it to T2. I have an 89 cruise actuator in there hanging out near the strut tower.

    Rob (shadow) we have launch limiter stuff in the cals now and timing retard at WOT when the boost is lower than the setpoint to help with spool on the line. i leave the line with 10psi with a manual trans car. its not quite as slick as the MS setup but it works well.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by turboshad View Post
    Here is the MS launch control.



    You pick the RPM at which it start retarding when activated. Then you pick the timing value you want it to retard to. The lower the value the more boost you can make. When I had it at 6.5 degrees I was getting up to 11psi at the line. Next is the throttle position that it becomes enabled above when the input is grounded to activate followed by the hard RPM limit. Below that you choose wether you want a fuel cut, spark cut or both. With a spark cut you can choose how many events out of how many you want to cut.

    Further down you have the flat shift arming point. So if the input is grounded above this RPM it will act as a flat shift. From there you have seperate settings like the LC for retard above RPM, retard to degrees, and hard RPM limit. It will use the same x from y events that the LC uses as well as the limiter method.

    All in all it's pretty good for an inexpensive ECU.
    Thats pretty fancy stuff there!

    Quote Originally Posted by blk86trbo View Post
    Dang John you read my mind, thanks for posting the info on the LM...although I don't believe the wiring for it is in the harness?

    Also JT, thanks to you and all the other "pioneers" that are out there doing the modding/repairing/sacrificing! Your trial and error sessions will ultimately save additional parts and cars from the scrapyard
    Interesting indeed, I didnt know why it didnt have it, just that it didnt, LOL!

    Thanks Paul, in my mind, thats exactly what the Shelby Dodge Club and Turbo Mopar are all about

    Quote Originally Posted by SebringLX View Post
    Well I see how you can do that stuff with an MS... you can't do all that with a DIS2+, which it sounds like JT is using.

    The 2-step function on the DIS2 is controlled by 2 wires. Blue for rev limit, Pink for step retard. It's a simple on/off only. When the blue wire is grounded, rev limit is active. When the pink wire is grounded, timing is retarded.

    I did not know you wanted to retard timing in addition to limiting revs when setting up a 2-step, that's good info, 'cause when I get mine back from MSD, I'll be setting it up.

    If you connect the blue and pink wires to the clutch switch, and set the dials to say 4000rpm and 10* retard, then every time you push the clutch, it's going to activate. I see that going very badly when you try to shift. Or is the clutch switch not going behind the clutch?
    Good thinking Josh, I totally forgot about the pink wire! I have the clutch switch and a thumb button wired in series so after launch I drop the thumb button and its all inactive. I was going to tune the 2-step area of the fuel and spark maps accordingly but this may be a better way.

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    Re: BadAss SRT-Z Update!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by BadAssPerformance View Post
    Good thinking Josh, I totally forgot about the pink wire! I have the clutch switch and a thumb button wired in series so after launch I drop the thumb button and its all inactive. I was going to tune the 2-step area of the fuel and spark maps accordingly but this may be a better way.
    Sounds like a good idea. Why retard the timing though? Wouldn't that lower the amount of boost you get on the line? Or is that what you're after to try and reduce wheel spin?

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